Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

Beyond just Neelix/Kim/Holodoc, what I remember from Voyager was this forced bonhomie, and also a lot of talk about how this far-flung in a distant quadrant behaved like it was just taking the scenic route back to the Alpha Quad., and that two-parter where they meet up with the other, hella ravaged Federation ship was an attempt to address the discrepancy.

voyager lacking goofballery? andy dick to the rescue!
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Yeah, they tried that opposing camps conflict at the beginning - like DS9's Federation/Bajoran/Cardassian unease, but with the Federation vs. Maquis thing that more or less completely disappeared by season 3. It never felt right they were lounging through the Delta Quadrant, as if this were still TNG. (I don't think Moore worked on Voyager, but another theme in retrospect that nu-BSG re-appropriated - from the original BSG no less - and did something fresh with)

Yeah that Maquis thing always bugged (in addition to like everything about Voyager).

I recall RDM doing at least one script (B'Elanna and Klingon afterlife), and that AMA I linked to suggested that he was an exec producer for a season maybe? But yeah, I was just thinking about the parallels.

i thought moore did work on voyager and felt totally betrayed that the show's premise wasn't honoured the way he had assumed it was (rag-tag ship, low on fuel, alone) & thats why he put al that stuff into bsg

TrekMovie: On Voyager and Battlestar, it is a ship on its way to Earth with no infrastructure, there are some parallels. Would ‘Ron Moore’s Voyager’ be like Battlestar, if you were the showrunner?

Ron Moore: Yah…probably…when I was on my brief tenure on Voyager and I was starting to think in terms of what I wanted to do, I remember sitting with the writing staff and saying ‘I really think…that when Voyager gets damaged it should get damaged, we should stop repairing the ship, the ship should be broken down more and devolving a little bit more.’ One of the ideas I had is that they should start developing their own culture within the starship and letting go of Starfleet protocols and stop thinking of themselves as Starfleet people on some level, even though they still wear the uniform and still try to adhere to the regulations. I thought it would be interesting that by the time this ship got back to Earth, that it didn’t even belong at Earth anymore. That it sort of had become its own culture, it had formed its own civilization which was dissimilar to that which they had left behind…Now that you mention this there was somebody, I don’t think it was me, somebody had pitched the notion of them having to guard some alien ships they had encountered. It was a convoy and through some plot I can’t remember that they had agreed to protect and Sheppard through some hostile star systems on their journey. And they were going to be the warship tending the little convey of civilian ships. And I was really taken with it and really liked the idea and thought it would be cool and it was sort of Galactica. We might have even mentioned Galactica….but to your question, If I had been the showrunner from the beginning I probably would have sent it into a darker direction and sent it into a more harrowing journey yes. And made them more on the run and more less of a pretty journey getting back, and at the same time, I probably would have felt compelled to stay within certain boundaries of what Trek was and how Trek had established itself. So I don’t think I could have taken Voyager to the places I have taken Galactica, even if I did have the reins.

That's a good, honest response. He obviously wanted to do more with Voyager, but rebooting BSG gave him a lot more freedom that he would have otherwise.

ya exactly

bsg makes a lot of sense if you keep voyager in mind then

voyager could have ended up at the galactic boundary to find ronald moore reading a newspaper.

The Year of Hell story arc in Voyager puts them in much more dire circumstances and the ship is all beat to hell for an extended amount of time. But then it's a whole timeline tampering episode and they fix everything by the end and Voyager is once again pristine.

I remember liking that one. Great premise, Kurtwood Smith, etc.

The alien convoy premise could have been such a fantastic show. Damn.

there's a very strange episode about historical revisionism where the doctor is activated after centuries by a culture that blames voyager for some political atrocity, but it curves back in on itself because there doesn't seem to be any way that this episode could have happened, because the doctor wasn't separated from voyager, and it isn't a parallel timeline or anything weird like that.

7 of 9 => 6
Holodoc => Balthar
Chakotay => Tigh
Neelix => Apollo in the fat suit

Chakotay => Tigh

"Pfff"

wait does => indicate parallel or superiority?

Parallel...ish.

Hey guys, I'm watching BSG for the first time at the moment, so it'd be nice if you didn't post any spoilers about it to the Star Trek thread. (General conversation/comparisons are okay, but I'd hate to accidentally catch some major plot point.)

Noted. I look forward to hearing what you think about BSG.

My advice: Don't let the haters get you done. And never read the BSG thread.

I'm in the middle of season 2, and I've been reading the season 1 and 2 threads, and they generally seem to be full of praise. When do the haters appear?

Rumblings begin in season 3. Out in full force by the end of season 3.

you will finally understand the mystery of carl agatha's display name

Jeff otm. If you really feel masochistic, read the thread after you're done with the whole series, but don't look until then

if you really feel masochistic, watch the whole series

Meanwhile in a random related Trek bit -- hadn't realized until I actually saw it that Brannon Braga directed the first episode of the new Cosmos and apparently is one of the producers or executive producers as well. Made a LOT of sense that there was a certain Trek feel to the space sequences as a result.

Was Ron Moore involved with 24, too?
Lot more trek cameos in 24.

Oh yeah at the beginning of cosmos I thought they were going to sing ITS BEEN A LONNNNNG ROAAAAAD

does cosmos go into the whole klingons thing

oh god the enterprise theme song

Cosmos actually had a Mass Effect feel to me.

v curious about Tuomas reaction to BSG's later seasons

my prob with later seasons of BSG was there was too much confusion, and I couldn't get no relief

spoiler

I honestly love the yacht-rocky Enterprise theme - certainly beats Voyager and DS9

Same!

The DS9 theme song (original version), is my favorite of the entire franchise.

lol I said to Mr Veg that the Cosmos theme sounded like a mashup of DS9 and Enterprise

with a little bit of theme song from Elf thrown in :)

omgggggggggg I love the DS9 theme. Or at least from seasons 1-3. They changed it in season 4 and I don't like that one as much.

i never much liked the spinoff themes but appreciated that they tried to embed some kind of continuity within the theme songs by putting a little snippet of another trek theme inside it.
i always found it weird how the paramount fanfare at the end sounded so close to the star wars theme though.

the enterprise theme song is one of the worst things foisted on the human race, ever

I sing it at my cat when he's been a shithead

i'm cooking dog foooooooood
cause you've been a real shitheaaaad

I love the Ron Jones-era music (they fired him in the fourth season I believe). It's totally John Carpenter-esque and weird and great. The music gets pretty boring after he left.

OTM, I really dig the Ron jones sound.

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oh god it's the Next Generation episode where Data learns about "humour" from holodeck Joe Piscopo

he does have the good grace to admit that "jokes aren't my forte" at least

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/star-trek-actress-lends-her-gravitas-to-film-promoting-idea-that-sun-revolves-around-earth/

well okay.

About one in four Americans believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it.