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First "down" day in a week for me. I need to stop suffering one bluff early on, and then assuming every other big pot is being bluffed thereafter.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 10 April 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I finally won a tourney after three unplaced efforts tonight. So I'm up today (just) but down for the weekend. I'm still too scared to play a ring game, though - scared of the unpredictable effects on my bankroll, I think. Also, I tend to play like a retarded baby foal for the first 45 mins of any given session.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Finished 2nd in a $5 tourney, and THEN lost w/ 3 Qs because some moron decided to call my preflop reraise w/ 85 suited, & flopped a straight! I HATE STUPID PEOPLE AND THEIR BUSH-LIKE LUCK.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Amen brother. If I see one more river making a pair like sevens and threes ever again, I'm going to cry.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Just played a few practice hands of play poker on pokerroom.com AND MY PLAY BANKROLL IS FUCKED UP! I won about $2,000 - my account says I lost $800. Obv I'm not fussed about play money, but does this imply that there's some software bug (presumably they use the same software for play & real money) that doesn't always update your cash account properly?

I was that lucky person* tonight. Three times I go all in with A or K high; three times the other dude makes a lower pair on the flop; three times I make a pair with my higher card on the turn. He was not impressed.

*but not lucky and stupid. Just lucky.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Just one small tourney tonight, in which I came 3rd. BUT, up till the last half dozen or so hands (a couple of sloppy hands had me down, and the other guy's pocket aces and ace oin the flop had me out), I felt it was the best I've played to date.

I was sensible, aggressive when necessary, folded well, bet well and backed off if I needed to. More than that, I identified early on the three other players I thought were actually playing decently (the others were clearly just calling stations). When it came to the last 4, it was me and the three I'd picked. And the steady, unflashy guy who'd I'd marked down as the dark horse got gradually more confident and aggressive, and played a masterful game to take the win.

A profit of $4.50 isn't worth talking about. But the comfort I felt in the room is. If I feel this way in a few games times, it'll be time to move to the dizzy heights of (gasp) $10 + $1 games...

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, limit hold'em, which felt so safe when I first started, now seems so limp and lifeless. Maybe if I was better at maths I'd get more of a kick out of it.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Limit hold'em is my game, but, yeah, it really is a maths game rather than a poker game.

The biggest pot I played tonight I lost heads up to a four of a kind (fours). I had full house (aces full of fours). Bastard.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Explain me how there were six fours in that deck of cards.

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link

when you play texas hold'em, five cards are dealt in the middle as "community" cards (face up), and the players each have 2 hold cards (face down).

The idea is to have the best 5 card hand out of those 7 cards. (so if there are two fours in the middle, you can have a four of a kind and full house with 4s.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, I'm a moron. I played so much stud and draw poker when I was younger, it's hard to get used to Hold 'Em being the ubiquitous poker game now. D'oh!

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i've started playing on the nyc underground poker club circuit. so much fun! i'm up a hundred or so thus far.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

do you actually play poker on underground trains?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 07:20 (nineteen years ago) link

How does that work, Yancey? Is it real life poker? I'd be scared rigid, I think. Though a colleague is organising a casino night soon, and I want to be able to play poker there. Any and all tips appreciated, especially etiquette, betting processes etc.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

all the poker tables in casino seems to be stud poker

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Even with the recent explosion in hold'em's popularity? I don't know how to play stud, so that's a no-no, but hold'em...

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay! I won my first $5 single-table tourney (thanks in part to a 2-pair SUCK OUT wherein yours truly got his pairs on the turn & river), AND also finished 13th in a multi-table tourney of 360+ people (thanks again to a river bail out). I am still down $200+ this weekend, though, but baby steps. The fact that I PLAYED WELL actually means more than the money - I think I had a little streak similar to what Mark described up thar.

I was trying Markelby's Guide To Poker Success (i.e. the single-table tourneys), but I think I'll stick to my original plan & enter the multi-tables. I get to play more hands (usually), it's a small investment that could potentially pay big, and it's more epic (which I think I've said before). And, given how I tend to play (one after another), it's MUCH CHEAPER. I had this running dialogue w/ a guy I sat w/ @ my first table - we ended up seeing each other two more times, once when there were 60-50 players left, and once when there were 20 left. We ended up sorta rooting for each other to make it - he got knocked out 3 folks before I did.

I had a RIDICULOUS run of cards early on - 3 or 4 pocket pairs meted out by AK or AJ or KQ suited or low suited connectors that lead to a flopped flush. Busting his balls about semi-bluffs pre-flop & such. Good stuff. Still kinda miffed about the J7 offsuit I folded that would've lead to a flopped full house (Js over 7s, natch), but whatever.

Chatting during tourneys is fun, too - I was at this friendly table for about 30 minutes, then (after a big win) I was switched to a table that was tighter than a machine-sealed pickle jar. Not one damn word at all. Maybe they were upset because I stormed in w/ more chips than anyone else sitting there (excepting, um, the chip leader @ the time).

Total winnings yesterday (after subtracting $$$ spent on one-and-done fuckery) = $12. WOOOOO!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

That's wicked, David. I personally find I can't give the time to the multi-table tourneys - even though I'm sure Sgs values her alone time as much as I do, I get antsy if I know she's sitting downstairs and I haven't had a chat or a smooch for an hour. I also have a subconscious idea that online poker *might* not be the most worthy and productive use of my time, and I'd feel too guilty if I did well in a multi and ended up still playing 5 hours after I started.

Maybe on the weekend I'll give over an afternoon to it. We'll see. I think I might be playing cricket instead, though.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Mark. Yeah, I spent about 3 hours playing in the tourney - of course, when the money was on the line, things REALLY slowed down (& not just because PokerRoom actually slows the game down when you're about to cross the $$$ threshhold). For what it's worth, you have 5 minute breaks every hour, so you can get a quick eskimo kiss in while you run off to the loo & refill your water glass / bottle of Boone's.

Also, I do "work" (listening to / taking notes on muzak) while pokering, so it's not entirely counter-productive. I think all my music writing $$$ has gone into my poker addiction, so it's only fitting I try and make money while losing it. (Jury's out on whether my writing has sucked crack pipes since I started the poker.) Anyway, I gotta do something when that inevitable run of crap hands [73 84 T2 96 J3] comes around. You could sneak off for a quick peck then, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I like 7 3 suited - nice small bet then pick them off one by one if the flop flops in your favour!

I'm interested that you say you work (and others have talked about what else they do while they're playing) during games. Does this mean that keeping an eagle eye on your opponents' every move isn't as necessary as I've been suspecting it might be? Certainly, the more attention I pay, the better I seem to do - one time when I got a phone call while playing, I was startled to realise I was playing almost as if drunk, so slapdash were my decisions.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i play real-life poker -- have for six or seven years. i play in a monthly tournament with about 50 people ($50 buy-in) and have a weekly game with friends for $20. we play hold 'em, omaha, 7-stud, anaconda, etc. through playing in a bunch of different games around the city, i started getting invited to these off-the-book clubs (a la kgb's in rounders) in the lower east side and upper west side. been playing no-limit tournaments (normally 50 or 60 players) and the occassional no-limit table game ($200 buy-in). i've been holding my own. i've seen a couple of "pro" players, though i haven't sat down with any yet.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, given my lack of success, maybe I SHOULD try focusing on the game more than my other stuff. But, yeah, I have my monitor resolution set high enough that I can put the poker window in the upper left corner & keep a small word processing window open in the lower right. If it's just raise-fold action, I don't bother watching too intently, but if the flop looks interesting, or if someone goes all in, then I pay attention, especially if I folded something somewhat playable.

I'm especially intrigued by players / asshats that raise big pre-flop if they're taken to the flop, to see how they handle getting called. Also, I open up the BIG chat window, so I can scroll back & see how hands went down if I missed some action. This is especially handy when nature calls.

Anyone use the right-click player marking thing? I'm not sure what it's for, but I THINK it's for note-taking, which would probably come in handy during a tourney. Of course, I'd probably just mark every better as a "BLUFF SUCKER", & then get burned. (I always think everyone raising pre-flop is bluffing.)

Re: attention - I won the single-table tourney right before I went to sleep. I was dead tired, I hadn't eaten any dinner (aside from a few pretzels), and I just didn't give a shit. Somehow, it worked out. Of course, I go downstairs to tell my roomy I actually won, and I nearly slip and fall and pull a groin muscle. Zzzzzz.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Ow!

I use the right click stuff, a bit, but really judging someone on one game is risky unless they're obviously hopeless, so notes aren't much use. I used it a bit playing play poker about people who were assholes, though.

Yancey, you sound hardcore. I am scared of you.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard Yanc3 is gonna audition for the next season of Tilt. (haha "next season" I kill me)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.theasc.com/magazine/oct98/rounders/img1.jpg

"Mr. Son Of A Bitch, let's play some cards"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

And tonight, I completely fuck up four tourneys in a row. Shit cards, shitter concentration, shittest tactics. AAARGH.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

You need to drink more!

In other news, if I have pocket Qs, it's a safe bet SOMEONE has Big Slick, and they will get a K or A on the flop.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've done it! I've won $100 in a week!

Not that impressive to some of you advanced hustlers on here, I know, but that makes the credit card debts a little lighter to look at.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice one Dom. I had a good weekend - $46 up thanks to two firsts and a third (in four low-stakes single-table tourneys) and a swift ring game in which I managed to win lots, lose lots and win lots again in three crazy hands.

This puts me, for the first time, MORE THAN $100 UP on my inital deposit. Go me!

Tonight, I am teaching two friends, separately, how to play Texas hold'em. I am childishly excited.

Updates y'all?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

grumble grumble grumble

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

David, what's up?

(p.s. you owe me an email - I want to buy Rock Cats tix! GO ROCK CATS!)

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, just the usual - getting hosed on bad plays either by me being stubborn or other folks getting lucky following through on the "chip and a chair" principle. Biggest problem - getting into a $10 rebuy tourney where I rebought AND bought more chips @ the end of the first hour, and got knocked out a few minutes into Hour 2. $30 gone poopy. Ah, me.

(pps - I will e-mail you tonight or tomorrow! sorry! THESE CATS ROCK!)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Rebuy tourneys always sound like a mare to me - if you have limited funds or limited time, then you're always going to lose to some deep-pocketed slacker who's happy to stay for 8 hours and spend $500.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

From the What The Fuck Dept. (a running series of posts where every single asstastic bad beat I experience will be documented, so the world can witness how shitty my luck is):

Get dealt pocket 5s, & a 5 pops up on the flop (w/ a J & K). I'm slow playing, because what the hell? Then a K on the turn, & I figure, a full house of 5s over Ks beats all suckers. Still slow playing. J flops on the river. 3 guys are in at this point - I've just been calling their bets. One guy bets $200, & I reraise 3x (to $600). 3rd guy folds, & the $200 bettor reraises all-in. I'm thinking, "even if he has KJ, I'm paying to see his shit," so I call.

HE HAD POCKET KINGS. I LOST TO FOUR OF A KIND W/ A FULL HOUSE. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link

WTFD #2 AND #3:

AT suited. Two As flop. Woo hoo, 3 As, not much that can beat me. Other cards showing are a 4, 5, and J. Dude bets big after the river. I go all in (w/ more chips, so I'm not out if he beats me). Dude has Big Slick. I become perturbed, & am left with $295 in chips.

Next hand, I'm big blind, & about all in before betting, but, hey, pocket Ks lookin' good. Dude before me (table chip leader, 3rd or 4th in the tourney) calls, I raise all in, he calls, shows a 9T off suit, AND GETS A QUEEN HIGH STRAIGHT ON THE FLOP. I misspell WHATEVER & F*CK as I leave the table.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

From the Thank You Jeebus Dept: River Q gives me 3 of a kind, saves me from single-table tourney elimination.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

TYJ: I got two pair on the turn & river. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I love your contribution to this thread, Dave :)

I once again played 10 mins of a ring game and, once again, came out up ($19 this time). Which has left me wondering - does playing tourneys give you soem kind of discipline, or help you spot good hands, that playing in ring games doesn't? Or have I just got lucky? Cos at the current rate, I could use $0.25 ring games to pay my mortgage ($32 earned in less than half an hour's play in total).

I guess two samples isn't really enough to use for statistical purposes. But it's looking good.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

In limit, ring games are basically finding a game where the bad players outnumber the good ones, and then just waiting for your hands to come in. I'd imagine in no limit it's a bit more of a crapshoot.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

No limit $0.25 games seem to be where all the beginners end up. Beginners tend to be either super-literal with their betting, or ridiculously maniacal bluffers. Or they're just clueless. Either way, they seem pretty easy to pick off - substantial (but not all-in) raises scare them rigid, by and large (the "Chris Venuti tactic" as I call it, seeing as that's how he won lots of money off me when I first started), and there's a lot of betting to the river with second pairs and the like - a genuinely strong hand will not only win, but it'll win the cash of all the people who should have folded after the pocket cards or the flop, but carried on blindly.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I had good luck w/ ring games @ first, & then lost whatever touch I had developed - hubris forbids me to say it was my own fault, so I'll say it was bad beats whut got me.

I feel my technique is improving, despite my constant run of bad luck. This improvement is most evident in my post-bad-beat demeanor - after only a few mintues of ranting and raving, I'm ready to re-enter the fray.

I do have to watch my in-game chatting, tho - when I'm astrugglin', my tendency is to get really flustered when some asshat raises big pre-flop more than a couple of times during one go-around, & I get all "yeah yeah keep on trying it, big boy. One guy did this pre-flop AND post-flop (after an AK flopped - I had 2 Ks), & I folded incredulously after the flop raise. & then he flashed his pocket AK before the next hand. Yep.

FWIW - I did use the Note operability to mark someone as a "bluff sucker" last night.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I use the note-feature to list players who will chase miracle cards on 5th street. These people are idiots and deserved to be hustled out of every game they play in.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF #4:

QJ offsuit. Flop & turn reveal an open ended straight draw for yrs truly - need a 9 or an A on the river. (The other 2 cards, BTW = 2 6s.) Turn = A. I am good. Other guy betting goes all in. I call. Eat my fuc? NO! Dude has A6, & wins w/ a full house!

According to Dom, I got what I deserved. :(

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I played a full two hours in a $.25 - $.50 ring game last night, and finished 40 cents down. I don't know how to feel.

(I was teaching a mate how to play - he mnaged to hold his own for a while, play sensibly, win a few hand,s then threw away $20 in one go with one of the most foolish hands I've ever seen! Made me feel better in a way. My bad?)

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Schadenfreude is the true reward of the talented poker player.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I am posting on here as I am well and truly on tilt and I can't seem to do ANYTHING to stop this massive slide. I am currently SIXTY-ONE DOLLARS DOWN this weekend playing ring games. I just don't get it - I was either good (lucky?) or perfectly competent enough to play for hours without losing money.

I think I am becoming genuinely resentful (TILT TILT TILT) at my bad luck. I keep thinking over and over the mistakes I made, what I should have done to rectify them, and it all makes sense - until I sit down at a virtual table. My opponents seem to have vast reservoirs of luck - in the entire time I've been playing, I have had 2 lucky breaks, including my first four of a kind, and that's it. Pocket rockets, I bet aggressively against a guy with a FUCKING 2 AND 7 SUITED. Of course, he makes a flush on the river.

So anyway, I'm now folding anything that doesn't look fantastic, and I think I've lost it.

Help?

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Holy shit, since writing this I won one hand ($1.45 profti, woo), then threw away twice that much on both the next two hands, both times with fuck all yet I went to the showdown.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Step away from the computer, breathe, then come back.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it a good thing I've only lost $4 since my last post?

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure, you're good for a few days at that pace -- it's only $8 an hour. Have fun.

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link


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