In reality people do both.
In reality SOME people do both. A lot of people eventually give up on the Art in favour of Mammon, and that's fine.
And of course choosing Art means mooching off her parents and Adam's grandmother (who pays for the apartment iirc) so it's noxious to look down on paying gigs.
Agreed. But I've always thought the power of Girls - and why its so often misinterpreted by its critics - is that it's unafraid to present characters making mistakes and following bad advice and fucking up and generally being awful. It would be noxious for Hannah to look down on a paying gig, but she often does noxious things.
Also, I could barely stand to watch her interview Patti Lupone, as she was so awful at it. It was excruciating.
― you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
the anxiety that your corporate job will take up so much time/energy/effort that it prevents you from doing your dream creative stuff is a real anxiety. just because wallace stevens did it doesnt mean you will. sterling have you really never encountered this?
― max, Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:21 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i agree its a common anxiety. i just also think it is a callow and misplaced anxiety and the show gave it too much creedence. again, characters that feel this way are reflective of how ppl actually feel. but its an artistic decision on the part of the show to make this one seem like a real issue that needs to be confronted while obv marnie's africa thing was just played for laughs, etc. hannah's character has been a grab-bag of anxieties. only some of them we're asked to really identify with.
like 龜 otm that its not a paying gig or not that stands between ppl pursuing creative endeavors, its whether they actually want to do these things, or just want to be a person who is the type of person that does these things, and landing yr first corporate gig can make _that_ question more pressing.
― eric banana (s.clover), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:21 AM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Totally.
I really identified with her in that scene and when she got home and was like I need to write for three hours Zzzzzzzzzzz because that's basically me every single night for the last 15 years.
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link
I don't think the show is implying that it's the corporate gig's fault -- Hannah's anxiety is stems from the possibility that she might actually prefer a paycheck, free snacks and constant positive feedback to the risks of being a writer.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link
^^^ this. and i think hannah as much wants to be the sort of person who writes, as to write. i don't think the show necessarily suggests she's a great writer.
― you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
Also the scene where she marches into the editor's office giving these self-important reasons for quitting and the editor is just like "Ok, peace, can you send in the next interviewee?"
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link
That scene was also excruciating. In a good way?
― you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
O to the T to the M
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
great episode
― surm, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link
Marnie singing again, too good
love marn
― waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
the bathroom crying :(
― surm, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
and lol her hug with that stupid girl in the street was priceless
awkward. but awesome.
― you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
oh god that hug was so funny
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
― you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:02 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think it's strongly implied that shes a vapid writer. Her deceased editor mostly liked her willingness to write in an uncomfortably revealing way about sex and drugs and stuff. Her writing was considered lurid more than anything else I think.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
She's really good at the CQ job tho
― waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/misscrew/deardiarybook.jpg
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
This reads like an Onion article by a guy mansplaining how to fix Girls:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/02/27/girls-dunham-meta-entertainment-geekly/
― That's So (Eazy), Friday, 28 February 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
pretty sure marnie's friend mispronounced "dgaf"
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 28 February 2014 15:57 (ten years ago) link
Kind of struck us recently that the Brooklyn they live in is oddly sanitized even for present-day Brooklyn. I mean you never seem to see working class or poor people or immigrants in neighborhoods that still have a fair number of working class and poor people and immigrants. It just seems odd to me -- even 25-year-olds who live in a "bubble" in Brooklyn still tend to at least see/encounter people from other walks of life or w/e. You also never see a homeless person, and there's never the slightest specter of unsafety anywhere.
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 March 2014 04:34 (ten years ago) link
so much to answer for
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 3 March 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link
hurting otm. i saw this really scary guy in brooklyn recently. he was walking on the same street that i was walking on.
― james franco, Monday, 3 March 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link
this is kind of my favorite season so far tbh
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 March 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
Yup
― waterbabies (waterface), Monday, 3 March 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
This is one of the most embarrassing things I have ever read (could not get through it):http://www.bkmag.com/2014/03/03/a-man-among-girls-adam-driver/
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
I mean you never seem to see working class or poor people or immigrants in neighborhoods that still have a fair number of working class and poor people and immigrants
Woody Dunham
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
yeah actually the next thing we talked about was how Woody Allen movies are similar in that regard
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link
I liked this last episode, but somehow they always pull the trick of making the show's cynicism and it's sentimentality seem cheap and hollow. of course the sisters fight over the ring, and of course they vow to spend more time together. a really aimless season so far.
― ryan, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
http://oystermag.com/lena-dunham-x-archie-comics
― Virginia, Plain and Tall (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Jughead afflicted with priapism, hijinks ensue
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
"I'm gonna leave the continent of Africa on this hamburger!"
― Virginia, Plain and Tall (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
featuring at least one more lead actress of color than the show apparently
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link
never noticed how much marnie looks like/acts like/basically is veronica tbh
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link
nah Veronica is much more unapologetically greedy/materialistic
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
you don't think marnie is greedy/materialistic? seems like a key character trait; her getting back with her boyfriend in a serious way when he had a big startup company comes to mind immediately.
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link
she is, but she's in denial about it. Like, she would never admit that she loves money. Veronica would be all "HOORAY MONEY!"
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
It's not that she's materialistic, she's just somebody who cannot imagine her world not containing specific material things most people have to ~work~ for.
― baked beings on toast (suzy), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link
so it's not materialism if you're used to it?
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 20:34 (ten years ago) link
I was kinda totally stunned @ Hannah's experience of actually earning money for the first time in her life and it taking her, what, 25 years before she went through the process of "I worked and then I got paid for my work and with this money I am to be self-sufficient"
― "Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link
In my twenties I, James Franco, worked at McDonald's.
― james franco, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 03:48 (ten years ago) link
I really liked Hannah's cousin
― 龜, Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:45 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Wednesday, March 5, 2014 1:36 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
This is true but I felt like these scenes at least had the grace to be well-written and acted, unlike the earlier episode about "Death" this season
― 龜, Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:51 (ten years ago) link
I agree!
― ryan, Thursday, 6 March 2014 12:57 (ten years ago) link
christ yeah the writing in this episode was A1.
― piscesx, Friday, 7 March 2014 06:05 (ten years ago) link
just clocked that this episode's sole writer was the same guy who did the Jessa-and-her-Dad episode from Season 2.
― piscesx, Friday, 7 March 2014 06:12 (ten years ago) link
Strawberries, champagne, a dildo which I already destroyed through overuse.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 11 March 2014 02:41 (ten years ago) link
Saw Dunham on Graham Norton (from January, I think) this weekend. As well as it being gratifying to see her describe all the characters as "thinking they're better people than they are," and that the show ought to be accessible to the audience because "everyone can identify with being a douchebag," it was GREAT to get to view a couple of minutes of the show with a live studio audience loling. Would love there to be a DVD option to watch it with a laugh track.
― Charles, hatless (sic), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 02:48 (ten years ago) link
Loved this episode, loved it. Straight up antic fizz.
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 05:01 (ten years ago) link
true detective hype obscuring the fact that this is the best show on tv rn
― glover, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link