Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

true about THE SISKO but the Ferengi thing was always a silly joke

i love TNG and DS9 both for their takes. I did crack up when evil Section 9 showed up in the nu-Trek sequel

I was in undergrad from 94-00 and so was spared much of the weirdness of DS9 and Voyager.

they are comedy but from the very first episode, the seedy commerce that qwark represents is shamelessly touted as the lifeblood of community, and later ferengi-style horsetrading is vindicated as the solution to resource scarcity on multiple occasions. nog totally rubs it in jake's face, too.

oh yeah roddenberry would be doing backflips in his grave over federation stasi

eh, the couple of "heroic" occasions that Quark rises to were mostly a story function, making him not a completely boring one-dimensional character. he got maybe like one episode a season where he was a good guy

you're right about Roddenberry probably flipping over in his grave though - think about the conception of the Ferengi in their first TNG episode *shudder*

I just noticed that Amazon has all the remastered TNG episodes free with prime!

Waita... the Ferengi were originally intended to be the new major villains of TNG, and only became venture capitalists over the seasons.

Also, loads of TNG episodes are resolved with some technobabble solution!

ya but usually the drama itself is resolved through some sort of interesting choice or dilemma, the technobabble is just the mcguffin

so much mcguffin tho. its more like mcstuffin

ya but usually the drama itself is resolved through some sort of interesting choice or dilemma, the technobabble is just the mcguffin

Yep. I can't think of an episode where the problem and the solution would be purely technical, there's always some personal/social/moral drama involved. Even in the episode were Wesley accidentally lets a bunch of nanobots mutate into sentience, and they take over the ship's computer, the main drama shifts from "how do we get them out of the computer?" to "what are the ethics of dealing with this new lifeform?".

I always liked the contrast between those, by televisual standards, fairly searching philosophical questions, and the way the characters all seem to act like hormonal teenagers when it comes to relationships, e.g. La Forge's "why does nobody love me" stuff. This is despite the enlightened attitudes towards sex that Tuomas correctly talks about upthread.

Hah, yes, I guess it's no surprise sci-fi writers are better at writing philosophy than romance and relationships.

La Forge was a proxy for the writers and for dateless Trekker nerds with eyesight problems

Levar Burton has mentioned his take that Geordi didn't get any was because the writers were afraid of black male sexuality.

yeah I can see that too

Meanwhile, at target, for your more knocked-up officer:

http://i.imgur.com/35DQZ7w.jpg

Good look, esp. how it permits femininity within the engineering corps.

Or, if you're TOS, from command.

Wait they sell Star Trek clothes?

2014: The Year Nerd Broke

hott

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121204222548/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a6/Data_and_a_pregnant_Troi.jpg

The Almighty Star Trek Lit-verse Reading Order Flow Chart: http://www.thetrekcollective.com/p/trek-lit-reading-order.html

Very useful.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/b62fe1e5a3c8b42d4cd211083531e3e3/tumblr_mzvgtkV2K71rno58uo3_500.png

It's Voyager, and Reddit, but surprising, consistent lolz: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1zn4rq/iama_robert_beltran_aka_commander_chakotay_from/

pretty amusing!

So I've always been a TOS-only (and movies) fan but I wouldn't mind getting into some Next Generation. Any recommendations on where to start? I wouldn't mind taking in a season or two now but watching the entire run is gonna have to wait until I retire.

Season 3

You can watch the pilot and skip the rest of the first season. Season 2 has some real gems, but the show gets real in the third.

Watch "Q Who" from season 2 for essential background

^^ OTM.

I'd also suggest:
"Measure of a Main" for courtroom dramaz.
"Time Squared" for timey wimey.
"The Emissary" if you care about Worf.

I forget if "Manhunt" (Lwaxana on the prowl!) was any good or not.

all good advice

there's a handful of S1 episodes that are worth it, others as curios maybe (the first holodeck episode, the Ferengi, crazy space worms!)

Em.... I'm gonna stay away from the space worms, hopefully. I love Wrath of Khan to death but I always have to look away during those parts.

Good call, that's kind of a low-budget Grand Guignol of an episode.

You can always go back and roll your eyes at S1/S2 in the future. I mean, for god-sakes, they ended season 2 with a clip show. Dr. Crusher also leaves the show for season 2 and comes back for season 3, though Wesley doesn't.

Doesn't leave, that is

I see you're part of the No Crushers Club too.

My favorite season 1 episode (non-pilot) is Justice.

Nah, I was cool with Bevs.

It's No Crushers, we're allowed to have one.

oic, ic

Season 1 is pretty crappy, but the idea that TNG only got good at season 3 is an exaggeration, as there are several of good season 2 episodes:

Elementary, Dear Data (the crew plays Sherlock Holmes, the first really good Holodeck episode)

The Schizoid Man (old geezer who doesn't want to die takes over Data's body, a nice showcase for Brent Spiner)

A Matter of Honor (Riker goes as an exchange officer to a Klingon ship, hilarity ensues)

The Measure of a Man (Data's personal rights become an issue that needs to be settled in a tribunal, this is the sort of plot TNG excels in)

Pen Pals (Data has a radio friendship with little girl on pre-Warp planet, another ethical episode, also has some touching Data moments)

Q Who (the first really good Q episode, plus the introduction of the Borg, this is one of the best TNG eps in general)

The Emissary (sets up a long-running Worf subplot, Suzie Plakson as Worf's half-klingon old flame is one of the best guest characters in the whole series)

Peak Performance (has a bit of a silly antagonist character, but it's a good showcase for Riker, he gets show his tactical chops, which will come into good use in The Best of Both Worlds)

Also, Season 2 brought in Dr. Pulaski, who I thought was a really interesting addition, so it was sad she was only in this season. Gates McFadden is not a bad actor, but Dr. Crusher is much more of a traditional, warm & empathetic doctor character... Where Pulaski was mean to Data, questioned Picard's authority (when she felt he was compromised), and in general was less nice but more compelling than Crusher. And Diana Muldaur was really good at playing her as a bit of smug but ultimately decent person.

what was the whole story with why they brought her in?

http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/38668754140/marina-sirtis-well-you-have-to-remember-that-we

The only season 2 eps you should never, ever watch are the first (in which Troi essentially gets raped and impregnated by some energy being alien, but in the end is okay with it), and the last (which is indeed a Riker clip show, and not even a good one, as they clearly don't have enough good clips to use, since the show is only 2 seasons old, so they throw in pretty much anything they can think of).

That TNG clip show is terrible, it's worse even than the clip show from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century.

Thanks Tuomas for summarizing my earlier post.

Pulaski was in two TOS episodes playing different characters about 3 episodes apart

Whenever a Pulaski episode would show up in syndication reruns my young self would just be like "oh.. it's one those episodes"