Wow @ that photo
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 22 February 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
DRAFT SPOCK
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 22 February 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
"tho his idea that there would be no religion at all in the future is weird"
not any weirder than "no need for money in 23rd century"
ds9 really flipped the script on this: "let's make the main character a messiah, and turn the ferengis into objectivist merchant heroes"
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 22 February 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
true about THE SISKO but the Ferengi thing was always a silly joke
i love TNG and DS9 both for their takes. I did crack up when evil Section 9 showed up in the nu-Trek sequel
― Nhex, Saturday, 22 February 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
I was in undergrad from 94-00 and so was spared much of the weirdness of DS9 and Voyager.
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Saturday, 22 February 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
they are comedy but from the very first episode, the seedy commerce that qwark represents is shamelessly touted as the lifeblood of community, and later ferengi-style horsetrading is vindicated as the solution to resource scarcity on multiple occasions. nog totally rubs it in jake's face, too.
oh yeah roddenberry would be doing backflips in his grave over federation stasi
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 22 February 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
eh, the couple of "heroic" occasions that Quark rises to were mostly a story function, making him not a completely boring one-dimensional character. he got maybe like one episode a season where he was a good guy
― Nhex, Saturday, 22 February 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
you're right about Roddenberry probably flipping over in his grave though - think about the conception of the Ferengi in their first TNG episode *shudder*
I just noticed that Amazon has all the remastered TNG episodes free with prime!
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
Waita... the Ferengi were originally intended to be the new major villains of TNG, and only became venture capitalists over the seasons.
Also, loads of TNG episodes are resolved with some technobabble solution!
― eeeLuvium (Leee), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
ya but usually the drama itself is resolved through some sort of interesting choice or dilemma, the technobabble is just the mcguffin
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:51 (ten years ago) link
so much mcguffin tho. its more like mcstuffin
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
Yep. I can't think of an episode where the problem and the solution would be purely technical, there's always some personal/social/moral drama involved. Even in the episode were Wesley accidentally lets a bunch of nanobots mutate into sentience, and they take over the ship's computer, the main drama shifts from "how do we get them out of the computer?" to "what are the ethics of dealing with this new lifeform?".
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 09:46 (ten years ago) link
I always liked the contrast between those, by televisual standards, fairly searching philosophical questions, and the way the characters all seem to act like hormonal teenagers when it comes to relationships, e.g. La Forge's "why does nobody love me" stuff. This is despite the enlightened attitudes towards sex that Tuomas correctly talks about upthread.
― Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 10:53 (ten years ago) link
Hah, yes, I guess it's no surprise sci-fi writers are better at writing philosophy than romance and relationships.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 11:02 (ten years ago) link
La Forge was a proxy for the writers and for dateless Trekker nerds with eyesight problems
― Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 11:11 (ten years ago) link
Levar Burton has mentioned his take that Geordi didn't get any was because the writers were afraid of black male sexuality.
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 12:28 (ten years ago) link
yeah I can see that too
― Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 12:29 (ten years ago) link
Meanwhile, at target, for your more knocked-up officer:
http://i.imgur.com/35DQZ7w.jpg
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
Good look, esp. how it permits femininity within the engineering corps.
― eeeLuvium (Leee), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
Or, if you're TOS, from command.
― eeeLuvium (Leee), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
Wait they sell Star Trek clothes?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link
2014: The Year Nerd Broke
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
hott
― Nhex, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 19:30 (ten years ago) link
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121204222548/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a6/Data_and_a_pregnant_Troi.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
The Almighty Star Trek Lit-verse Reading Order Flow Chart: http://www.thetrekcollective.com/p/trek-lit-reading-order.html
Very useful.
― carl agatha, Monday, 3 March 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/b62fe1e5a3c8b42d4cd211083531e3e3/tumblr_mzvgtkV2K71rno58uo3_500.png
― carl agatha, Monday, 3 March 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link
It's Voyager, and Reddit, but surprising, consistent lolz: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1zn4rq/iama_robert_beltran_aka_commander_chakotay_from/
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe (Leee), Thursday, 6 March 2014 22:36 (ten years ago) link
pretty amusing!
― Nhex, Thursday, 6 March 2014 23:16 (ten years ago) link
So I've always been a TOS-only (and movies) fan but I wouldn't mind getting into some Next Generation. Any recommendations on where to start? I wouldn't mind taking in a season or two now but watching the entire run is gonna have to wait until I retire.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link
Season 3
― Jeff, Friday, 7 March 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
You can watch the pilot and skip the rest of the first season. Season 2 has some real gems, but the show gets real in the third.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe (Leee), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
Watch "Q Who" from season 2 for essential background
― chinavision!, Friday, 7 March 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
^^ OTM.
I'd also suggest:"Measure of a Main" for courtroom dramaz."Time Squared" for timey wimey."The Emissary" if you care about Worf.
I forget if "Manhunt" (Lwaxana on the prowl!) was any good or not.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link
all good advice
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
there's a handful of S1 episodes that are worth it, others as curios maybe (the first holodeck episode, the Ferengi, crazy space worms!)
― Nhex, Friday, 7 March 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
Em.... I'm gonna stay away from the space worms, hopefully. I love Wrath of Khan to death but I always have to look away during those parts.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
Good call, that's kind of a low-budget Grand Guignol of an episode.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
You can always go back and roll your eyes at S1/S2 in the future. I mean, for god-sakes, they ended season 2 with a clip show. Dr. Crusher also leaves the show for season 2 and comes back for season 3, though Wesley doesn't.
― Nhex, Friday, 7 March 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Doesn't leave, that is
― Nhex, Friday, 7 March 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
I see you're part of the No Crushers Club too.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
My favorite season 1 episode (non-pilot) is Justice.
― Jeff, Friday, 7 March 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
Nah, I was cool with Bevs.
― Nhex, Friday, 7 March 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
It's No Crushers, we're allowed to have one.
― Lee with three Es with an apostrophe S (Leee), Friday, 7 March 2014 19:09 (ten years ago) link
oic, ic
― Nhex, Friday, 7 March 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
Season 1 is pretty crappy, but the idea that TNG only got good at season 3 is an exaggeration, as there are several of good season 2 episodes:
Elementary, Dear Data (the crew plays Sherlock Holmes, the first really good Holodeck episode)
The Schizoid Man (old geezer who doesn't want to die takes over Data's body, a nice showcase for Brent Spiner)
A Matter of Honor (Riker goes as an exchange officer to a Klingon ship, hilarity ensues)
The Measure of a Man (Data's personal rights become an issue that needs to be settled in a tribunal, this is the sort of plot TNG excels in)
Pen Pals (Data has a radio friendship with little girl on pre-Warp planet, another ethical episode, also has some touching Data moments)
Q Who (the first really good Q episode, plus the introduction of the Borg, this is one of the best TNG eps in general)
The Emissary (sets up a long-running Worf subplot, Suzie Plakson as Worf's half-klingon old flame is one of the best guest characters in the whole series)
Peak Performance (has a bit of a silly antagonist character, but it's a good showcase for Riker, he gets show his tactical chops, which will come into good use in The Best of Both Worlds)
Also, Season 2 brought in Dr. Pulaski, who I thought was a really interesting addition, so it was sad she was only in this season. Gates McFadden is not a bad actor, but Dr. Crusher is much more of a traditional, warm & empathetic doctor character... Where Pulaski was mean to Data, questioned Picard's authority (when she felt he was compromised), and in general was less nice but more compelling than Crusher. And Diana Muldaur was really good at playing her as a bit of smug but ultimately decent person.
― Tuomas, Friday, 7 March 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
what was the whole story with why they brought her in?
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 7 March 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/38668754140/marina-sirtis-well-you-have-to-remember-that-we
― carl agatha, Friday, 7 March 2014 20:33 (ten years ago) link
The only season 2 eps you should never, ever watch are the first (in which Troi essentially gets raped and impregnated by some energy being alien, but in the end is okay with it), and the last (which is indeed a Riker clip show, and not even a good one, as they clearly don't have enough good clips to use, since the show is only 2 seasons old, so they throw in pretty much anything they can think of).
― Tuomas, Friday, 7 March 2014 20:34 (ten years ago) link
That TNG clip show is terrible, it's worse even than the clip show from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century.
― an office job is as secure as a Weetabix padlock (snoball), Friday, 7 March 2014 20:39 (ten years ago) link