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Does this Godzilla seem even more giant than previous Godzillas? And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link
Monsters is a great, great movie. So I'm looking forward to this on that alone.
― akm, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?
Probably not. As I vaguely recall from my biology and physics, if you double the size of something, its muscle strength squares, but its volume/mass cubes, so the muscles are no longer strong enough to support the body (this is why insects/spiders don't come in sizes bigger than they currently do--if they got much bigger their exoskeleton weighs more than their limbs can support). Given the vaguely humanoid sjhape of Godzilla, he'd be fucked.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
But yeah, Monsters was wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpc53FvcZ4c
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
hahaha
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Friday, 21 February 2014 01:27 (ten years ago) link
that trailer looks amazing up top. never saw the 1998 one. i'm guessing it wasn't much good?
― piscesx, Friday, 21 February 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link
You guess correct. It's not even bad in a fun way.
― Simon H., Friday, 21 February 2014 03:52 (ten years ago) link
the way the 98 one bombed was wonderful
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 21 February 2014 04:24 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu85WQTPRc
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
If you would have told me back in, say 2001, that we'd have another Godzilla reboot starring Malcolm's dad and the Olsen's twins kid sister...
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
this looks great.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
Looks surprisingly good.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
Like the use of Ligeti. Hoping this turns out to be a Rise of the Apes-style classy update.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
Interest building....
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
Does Godzilla make airplanes fall out of the sky or something?
― jmm, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
why does the statue of liberty look so fake
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
did you see the desert mountains in the background
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
i know it was going for a way different vibe, but i hope this can provide the monster-destroying-city action that Pacific Rim was woefully short on.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
commercial's great, that's for sure. better to only hint at the monster (like with the rising ocean), or show it for a second or two.
30 years later, and the techniques used in jaws still hold true.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link
looks great. don't know why but remakes of franchise movies like this bother me so much less than remakes of stand alone films (point break ,oldboy etc)
― TheMenzies, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
I like they they've kept him tied (it seems) to the post-WW2 nuclear age.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah, is that vegas?
idk, i'm in. why not? monsters was really good, good cast here.
― goole, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
not sure the other "viral" marketing video they've released -- the godzilla "roar" -- is as effective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z0T3VwHzk8
meh. the "roar" video wouldn't, of course, get the rare "5 out of 5 schmoes" that the official trailer did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHyThBpoR1o
― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
So, is there much talk of what this will be about ? Trailer implies Godzilla vs something ... some flying thing? Some tentacle thing? Both?
Weird how poor some of the effects look in the trailer (such as the wave carrying ships towards the camera) but I guess this is something they'll be rendering till just before release. Can't say I'm excited, but this did make me curious about a movie I until now assumed I wouldn't watch. The opening shots were good (corked traffic & crashed plane; tumbling buildings & origami birds)
Actually, went back now and it does seems to be some avian creature. There's a shot at 1:30 of guys aiming their guns up at a large, descending silhouette, then a shot of something — presumably the same thing — slipping into the ocean between a couple of crashing airplanes.
― Øystein, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:03 (ten years ago) link
i liked the wave!
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:05 (ten years ago) link
― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:31 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
haha well i'd argue it doesnt hold true at all for daikaiju films... but this is just advertising and it looks like a good approach for what they're doing
i laughed (in a good way) at the line that was like 'the nuclear tests from 1954... they weren't tests, they were trying to kill it!!!'
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:09 (ten years ago) link
Is that Ligetti music the same as the one in 2001.. i'm sure it is? Also a quick flash of Geiger/Alien vibes at 1 point.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
yes
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
This looks really cool
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 02:49 (ten years ago) link
Usually my rule of thumb is the cooler the trailer looks, the more disappointing the final film will be. But as long as they keep a lot of the surprises under wraps, and as long as what we see looks, visually, like something the guy who did "Monsters" did - which this does - I'm happy. Mentioned it upthread and will mention it again, but what made "Monsters" special (imo) is how well-written and acted the people stuff was, especially for a movie called "Monsters." Looking forward to seeing the guy pull it off again on a much larger scale.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
Really hope those miniature Mothra twins make a cameo
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
This actually looks kinda okay! Reasonably sold on it as a 'terrifying beast smashes things' movie, and I think I saw Maggie Gyllenhaal in there so I'm in.
It'd be great if it had a strong 'idea' hook too - I mean it's obvious but the original Gojira from the Fifties was actually a, like, good movie (some slow talky scenes aside) with all kinds of resonances in post-Occupation Japan - the trauma of bomb devastation re-enacted, the useless government, the shaky faith in technical progress, an attempt to rehabilitate doomsday weapons by binding them with old-school honor/guilt, etc.... Obviously it'd be easy to do this as 9/11 stuff but frankly that's been done to death in the genre of building-destruction porn and anyway it's been a while, they should find some new anxieties to really tap into. Global warming/wild weather stuff, maybe. I guess that's why I really like the 'mostly smoke' aspect of this, seems less about wrenching every last drop of suppressed sublimation out of the WTC attacks. Could be quickly proven wrong obv. But it would be cool if this touched some nerves.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
There was a lot of metaphor and whatnot swimming around "Monsters," too, but I don't want to spoil that movie for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
did you see the desert mountains in the background― AIDS (Hungry4Ass)
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
It would be awesome of Godzilla is not as big as the posters make it seem, and that it's just him destroying Vegas.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuIVn5cq5U
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
It seems really strange to recycle that Ligetti piece ... its association with 2001 is so strong
maybe the assumption is that no one seeing a Godzilla movie in 2014 is old enough to have seen 2001?
― Brad C., Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
I'm pretty sure they just picked it because it sounds cool. Trailers use music from other movies all the time. Original scores are rarely done until fairly close to release.
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
key target audience of godzilla in 2014 was BORN in 2001**mind blown**
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
I'd rather they reuse Ligetti than the damn airhorn noise from "Inception." Again.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
iirc the Ligeti and other classical pieces in 2001 were originally temporary music, Kubrick kept them in after he decided he hated Alex North's score
too bad Kubrick never directed a Godzilla reboot
― Brad C., Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
still kinda O_O at how fucking HUGE this godzilla is
it's like nine times huger than any other one I've seen. exciting!
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
The casting of this film is so incongruous for a hollywood blockbuster that I love it. I mean Juliette Binoche, Sally Hawkins, and Martha Marcy May Olsen are like an art house goddess triumvirate. "Monsters" was an ace scifi that cost famously all of $500,000. This is Edward's only other gig and was reportedly made for $160 million. how the hell does that happen? Especially after the dreck that was the 1998 film.
― danzig, Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link
still kinda O_O at how fucking HUGE this godzilla isit's like nine times huger than any other one I've seen. exciting!
I love love love that you went with "nine times huger" instead of ten. Seriously awesome.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 27 February 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link
i don't recall the last time everyone on ilx got psyched for a blockbuster type movie that wasn't a Batman. must be years anyway.
― piscesx, Thursday, 27 February 2014 02:11 (ten years ago) link
or, you know, gravity/pacific rim
― effervescent (soda), Thursday, 27 February 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
xxpost EZ: <3
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 03:29 (ten years ago) link
ok I watched ''Monsters" tonight finally to see what all the hoopla was about
if godzilla looks anything like that, hooray.
but if he playfakes me into watching another hour plus of glassy-eyed indie fuxxors holding hands & staring at landscapes I *will* be fucking pissed
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 06:42 (ten years ago) link
the actual monsters were bitchin tho
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 February 2014 06:43 (ten years ago) link
I did like what they did with the atomic breath and his physical strength in this movie.
in the Heisei era movies (that I've seen so far), he was using his atomic breath for what seemed like 90% of his attacks and his tail for the rest, but here, it being something that takes longer to recharge, but having a much more amplified, almost a-bomb type impact, was badass. used a lot more of his built-in strength, doing things like throwing actual gigantic battleships across the ocean.
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 December 2023 15:36 (two months ago) link
also i finally watched Shin Godzillawhile very different from the modern godzilla movies it rules incredibly hard and is also, like Minus One, very spiritually connected to *54* Godzilla (i wont screw that up a second time) maybe even more so the fukushima parallels are so well done when godzilla goes nuclear it is perfectly pantshittingly terrifying, as it should be and such a great blend of fantasy & reality, excellent no notes
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 December 2023 09:00 (two months ago) link
We are meant to understand, right, that Godzilla is just a regular local sea monster who torments some outlying islands until Bikini makes him much bigger and gives him atom breath?
Is the regeneration power a consequence of being irradiated too? I.E. are we meant to believe that if Koichi had opened fire from his plane on Odo that would have been the end of Godzilla?
I totally felt the Rambo 2 vibe here btw. I thought there was a healthy ambivalence. Sure ""not going to war is something to be proud of" but the character that's said to eventually shows up at the war and saves the day by doing so! They don't want to be in the war, but they have to be, on some level they want to have to be.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 04:34 (two months ago) link
This movie reportedly about to hit $100 mil at the box office. Budget was $15 mil!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 21:59 (two months ago) link
I maybe have a false memory of vague spoilers that Kid Godzilla was in this -- was it a blink-and-you-miss it kind of thing?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 22:03 (two months ago) link
There's a lil Godzilla we meet first, maybe that's it? Shin Godzilla kind of had a lil Godzilla, too, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 22:15 (two months ago) link
My son and I watched Shin Godzilla last week - not at all what I was expecting, but it was a real joy. I think my son scratched his head a little at this one. He must have checked how much time was left in the move four or five times. I loved it but we both prefer Godzilla Minus One.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 23:22 (two months ago) link
my brother and I kept joking that the UN was going to issue sanctions against Godzilla
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 23:23 (two months ago) link
I'm in the Heisei era now, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2.
kinda loving the more bonkers each one gets.
how in the hell can they afford to rebuild so many power plants so frequently though
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 00:40 (two months ago) link
This movie reportedly about to hit $100 mil at the box office. Budget was $15 mil!The director denies this: says it was closer to ten.
― bae (sic), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 02:02 (two months ago) link
have now finished the Heisei era.
Godzilla v Destoroyah rulllllllllllled.
SpaceGodzilla was a complete cipher of a monster but I actually preferred that one to Godzilla v Mechagodzilla II, which was just completely all over the place nonsense.
taking a break for a bit. I've watched about 15 of these in the last month
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 06:34 (two months ago) link
xpost Either way, that's astounding. I saw somewhere that labor laws in Japan are pretty loose, and non unionized crews and other people on set are seriously overworked and underpaid, but even then, it's hard to wrap your head around those numbers and what's on screen. The FX in a movie like "The Marvels" look pretty unimpressive, imo, or at least they're not notable, but even at their best they don't look significantly better than this one. I think the same article I saw that mentioned labor laws complained that the "Minus One" FX sometimes looked kind of shoddy, but I never noticed anything particularly bad. In fact, I just saw a review (in Slate, iirc) that went out of its way to complement the tactile realism of Godzilla (the creature), and when I think back to the recent Hollywood Godzillas and Kongs, they sure are hell don't look 10x better/more expensive.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 13:25 (two months ago) link
I have to admit, part of the expectation of a "back-to-basics" Godzilla was hoping for a dude in a rubber suit, and being a little disappointed with how generically slick it was, though maybe with such lax labor laws the guy would probably drown a few times while filming. Was the last hurrah for that sort of thing in the 80s?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:28 (two months ago) link
even the 90s movies largely had rubber suits, and I think several of the ones into the 21st century.
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:32 (two months ago) link
ahh this is helpful!
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/22234-special-effects-in-godzilla-movies-history
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:33 (two months ago) link
I guess Godzilla 2000 is the first to have a fully CGI Godzilla
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:35 (two months ago) link
I'm with the quote here - I know it was CGI but it didn't look it:
But it's still necessarily CGI, which is what's great about this film's effects: Yamazaki and his team are using the latitude of computer animation to push their Godzilla to do things that no stuntman in a rubber suit could have possibly down, constrained as they all were by physics, but they also very carefully make sure that it always looks like a stuntman in a suit. As Godzilla thrashes its way through the Ginza district, in the film's big landbound setpiece (this Godzilla is primarily an aquatic animal), the flexibility and full-body vitality of its movements are like nothing else in this franchise, but it's never weightless. It's the very best kind of popcorn movie magic.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 22:18 (two months ago) link
yeah they did a really good job with it. I'm usually put off by big computer monsters in blockbusters but he was dynamic and terrifying. lots of great open water scenes too which I loved.
ok I lied about the break. taking it after finally finishing Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah - Monsters All Out Attack.
think that puts me at 18....only half or so, but most of them watched in a month's time so give me credit.
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 22:32 (two months ago) link
My buddy wanted to see this again, so I saw it again. Held up! And while it was a smaller theatre, it was packed.
So I guess they are re-releasing this for a week in black & white for some reason. Has anyone ever preferred the B&W versions of movies, when they do this? "Fury Road," "The Mist," what else? Soderbergh made that B&W silent version of "Raiders of the Lost Ark," I guess that was a cool novelty, but mostly I prefer the original color versions of these gimmicks.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:08 (two months ago) link
Really want to see this, so does my son, but we've had a hard time lining up a screening that works for us.
They also did a black and white version of Logan.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:10 (two months ago) link
I massively prefer the b&w mist
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:15 (two months ago) link
That might be one where I slightly prefer the black and white version, but I didn't have a big problem with the color version.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:23 (two months ago) link