Is this real?
http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/legacy/legacy.htm
― Virginia, Plain and Tall (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
!!! official remasters of the troy tate shit??? damn
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
I'm not buying all of these again. Sorry, Smiths.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
It's fake I think. An early April Fools thing or something.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
no Golden Lights?
― mahb, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
Wow :-/
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
My other half works back catalogue at Warner Music, I'll ask her if she knows anything about it when she gets home.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
somehow i can't look at morrissey without thinking of kramer from seinfeld
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
UPDATE Feb. 18:As noted by several people in the comments, the release is an early April Fools' Day joke.This article was originally published in forum thread: Legacy Reissues (via PJLM) started by Ryan. View original posthttp://www.morrissey-solo.com/content/1665-The-Smiths-And-Morrissey-Legacy-Reissue-Series-(April-2014-via-Passions-Just-Like-Mine)
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
comedy genius!
― Isaiah "Ice" McAdams (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
For all that is good and holy, can we or someone please, please, please write an essay dissecting and tearing apart this clown's act?
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/james-francos-art-school-duo-daddy-preps-smithsinspired-album-20141111
I know, he's not worthy of being written about, but still. I hope there is enough venom in Smiths fans to put this joker in his place.
What's funny is that, of all people, the man who became the band's enemy is working with him, which tells you a lot about James Franco and Andy.
― ∞, Friday, 14 November 2014 00:20 (nine years ago) link
Does it really matter?
The songs are bigger than he is, and will survive this slight assault.
I guess I can say that, we will doubtless never hear it over here.
― Mark G, Friday, 14 November 2014 09:43 (nine years ago) link
(additional note to UK people who don't know: It's not his actual Daddy funding this)
― Mark G, Friday, 14 November 2014 09:44 (nine years ago) link
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10997480_10153038111028818_4345256183170354917_n.jpg?oh=ff1b340b4ecf1203db75ac81ebd41ae3&oe=55576B94&__gda__=1431476459_a286a7124c7fcc4e23c9e928dd4ea00b
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 14 February 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link
did we ever have a poll about the best thread on ilm? this is it, i'd say.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 16 February 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
this has just been repeated:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01msf1r
"Bob Harris telling the story of the live session recordings The Smiths made for the BBC."
features morrissey in the radio 1 studio talking to kid jenson during a playback of that early session they did.
― koogs, Wednesday, 8 April 2015 11:35 (eight years ago) link
more reunion rumours..
― piscesx, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
I honestly hope the Smiths never reform. There would be so much hype, such high expectations, an insane rush for tickets and massive resale markups... it stresses me out to think about it.
― JRN, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
Is there anything more to the rumours than Warners starting an official Smiths twitter account?
― Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 22:04 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/29/johnny-marr-the-smiths-morrissey-simon-hattenstone
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 October 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link
Morrissey is an asshole. So sad to read Johnny would have reformed in 08 if not for Moz being a flake and and weirdo.
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 29 October 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
I think Morrissey's indifference probably saved the legacy of the band, tbh.
At least to some degree.
I guess nobody ever thinks about the Police reunion, though, except for people who saw one of the shows.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 29 October 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
I'll just say this...I definitely would not want a reunited Smiths to attempt writing new material.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 29 October 2016 21:33 (seven years ago) link
barbarism comes from abroad? david it was really nothing?
― remy bean, Saturday, 29 October 2016 22:59 (seven years ago) link
Freak Party featuring Angie Brown
Firefly / You Can Drum But You Can't Hide
Released 25/11/16 Label Funky Si Records Cat no. 7nqu004 Limited Edition 7"
The pre Smiths 'Mythical' lost tapes have been found, restored, remixed and released for the first time in 35 years. Featuring Johnny Marr, Andy Rourke, Craig Gannon and original drummer Simon Wolstencroft, the original pre Morrissey line up recording has been augmented with the incredible vocal talent of Soul and House legend Angie Brown.The full story: Thirty-five years ago three enthusiastic teenagers put together a band called Freak Party. The musicians in question were the legendary Johnny Marr, Andy Rourke and Simon Wolstencroft, who was previously in an early incarnation of The Stone Roses then called The Patrol, before joining The Fall where he remained for 11 years. The inspirational first recording of the newly created songs Firefly and Don't Push Your Luck, under the Freak Party name was captured on a studio cassette all that time ago. Unfortunately the tape got lost for many years only to turn up in a drum case that Wolstencroft had mislaid during a house move. The recordings have never been heard apart from a different section being used as an underscore in an audiovisual advert for Simon's autobiography You Can Drum But You Can't Hide. Wolstencroft drafted in Mike Bennett, the producer he had worked with on both The Fall, and Ian Brown. Mike and Simon had co-written the smash hit Golden Gaze with Ian Brown. The enthusiastic Wolstencroft easily convinced Bennett that this original tape was worthy of a reworking. Bennett gathered together a team to work with him on getting rid of the hiss on the tape and blending in new parts, having learnt from fellow Jet Records muse Jeff Lynne , who had used a similar technique on the Beatles archive recording As Free As A Bird. Bennett was able to add brass and Hammond organ to augment and invigorate the original recordings. The band members were delighted with the results. Instead of asking Morrissey, Simon Wolstencroft and Mike Bennett recruited soul and house legend Angie Brown who added new inspiring vocals culminating in truly amazing results. Further intrigue was added by Craig Gannon of the Smiths, who put additional guitars on the two superb tracks Firefly and Don't Push Your Luck.
The full story: Thirty-five years ago three enthusiastic teenagers put together a band called Freak Party. The musicians in question were the legendary Johnny Marr, Andy Rourke and Simon Wolstencroft, who was previously in an early incarnation of The Stone Roses then called The Patrol, before joining The Fall where he remained for 11 years. The inspirational first recording of the newly created songs Firefly and Don't Push Your Luck, under the Freak Party name was captured on a studio cassette all that time ago. Unfortunately the tape got lost for many years only to turn up in a drum case that Wolstencroft had mislaid during a house move.
The recordings have never been heard apart from a different section being used as an underscore in an audiovisual advert for Simon's autobiography You Can Drum But You Can't Hide. Wolstencroft drafted in Mike Bennett, the producer he had worked with on both The Fall, and Ian Brown. Mike and Simon had co-written the smash hit Golden Gaze with Ian Brown. The enthusiastic Wolstencroft easily convinced Bennett that this original tape was worthy of a reworking. Bennett gathered together a team to work with him on getting rid of the hiss on the tape and blending in new parts, having learnt from fellow Jet Records muse Jeff Lynne , who had used a similar technique on the Beatles archive recording As Free As A Bird. Bennett was able to add brass and Hammond organ to augment and invigorate the original recordings. The band members were delighted with the results. Instead of asking Morrissey, Simon Wolstencroft and Mike Bennett recruited soul and house legend Angie Brown who added new inspiring vocals culminating in truly amazing results. Further intrigue was added by Craig Gannon of the Smiths, who put additional guitars on the two superb tracks Firefly and Don't Push Your Luck.
― Mark G, Monday, 31 October 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
Instead of asking Morrissey,
Or Johnny Marr, or Mike Joyce, or....
― Mark G, Monday, 31 October 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link
wtf
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Monday, 31 October 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
I've always thought it was a shame the Smiths weren't called Freak Party.
― Alba, Monday, 31 October 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link
She's a very kinky girlThe kind you don't take home to Mozzer
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 October 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
"The thing with the Smiths is that they were one of those bands, and this seemed quite common among postpunk Manc bands, was how difficult it was to work out what the influences were."
monochrome set.
i mean they were both great and they both sounded like they came out of nowhere but the monochrome set came first. they just didn't make it big....
― scott seward, Monday, 31 October 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
were they influenced by The Associates?
― piscesx, Monday, 31 October 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
T. Rex
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
I mean, listen to 'Metal Guru' and tell me you can't draw a direct line between that and 'Panic' ... The Smiths had several songs which featured chord progressions which just cycled endlessly, and a lot of T. Rex songs are just verse after verse with the same chord progression.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
yeah, I always thought of them as a band who worse their influences on their sleeve, if anything
― soref, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
um, "wore"
'Cosmic Dancer' is a good example of a T. Rex song that just cycles through the same chords for verse after verse with an occasional short break/'B' section - there's no real chorus! Likewise, 'The Queen Is Dead' is just verse after verse with the same chord progression with the occasional short break/'B' section and against there's no real chorus.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
*against=again
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 31 October 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
I always thought the Byrds jangle was in there plus big 60s pop.Morrissey was famously vocal about the New York Dolls when they were around which is prety well known tghough not sure it can be heard in the sound of the band 10 years later.
The William of William It Was Really Nothing was probably Mckenzie wasn't it. Not sure if the actual sound owed much to the band though.
― Stevolende, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
No, but it's not hard to imagine Mackenzie being an influence on Morrissey vocally. Mackenzie being the superior singer, of course.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Monday, 31 October 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link
The question of what combination of influences produced The Smiths was the original, specific subject of this thread. The first 100 or so posts from 2001-2002 contain a lot of interesting old-school ILX discussion of this.
― Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 31 October 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link
does johnny marr really call morrissey morrissey? that's kind of strange
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:04 (seven years ago) link
It would be stranger and quite rude to deliberately call a friend by his birth name rather than the name he chooses to go by.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
Re the mention of Postcard bands and Orange Juice upthread: the final OJ album came out late-1984 so after the Smiths first album. The song The Artisans is about the Smiths being flavour of the month (which OJ had been some years previously).
I used to spend each afternoonJust locked in the confines of my room'Cause my mother told me that I never shouldPlay with the gypsies down in the woodThen I fell in with a bunch of hoodsWho go by the name of the 'Artisans'
Gonna trade in my snakeskin bootsGonna trade in my rhinestone suit'Cause I'm in cahoots with the 'Artisans'Who just happen to be my favourite bandAt the best all the rest are just also-ransWhen compared to the fabulous 'Artisans'
The bedroom dwelling Moz fan of the first two lines is archetypal. The snakeskin boots/rhinestone suits stuff were fashionable before the black levis and cardigan look of the Smiths fan. On the lyric sheet provided with the record "Artisans" is put in quotation marks as if it is intended to be euphemistic.
And most obviously, "Artisan" & "Smith" are synonyms.
― everything, Monday, 31 October 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
xp
i just always assumed it was his artist name
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
I should have said first name, they're both his birth name of course.
afaict everyone calls him that, maybe not his family though, right enough.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link
was reading the wire magazine invisible jukebox book from the 90's - woooo boy a lot of drum & bass action in that book - and was REALLY surprised that mark e. smith was a smiths fan. he thought it was too bad that they broke up right when they were getting interesting.
also, it was either him or someone else who mentioned that you couldn't tell who the influences were with the smiths. or maybe john peel said that.
― scott seward, Monday, 31 October 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
xpost calling people by their last name was/is completely normal. At least half my friends growing up (in the UK) were known by their last names. The rest had nicknames. Can't actually recall anyone who was known by their first name as a teenager.
― everything, Monday, 31 October 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
Peel's exact quote in the south bank show documentary was that you couldn't tell the influences and used he the phrase "it was like they had sprung full armed from the ground"
And I have a vague memory of m-e-s praising the smiths last album but laughing at morrisey's adoration of skinheads saying something along the lines of "I put one on crutches last week!"
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
i understand that. except he calls mike joyce mike and i'm sure he calls andy rourke andy
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
I thought he still called Mike Joyce 'Arsehole'...
― a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link