Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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they have made the gorn blink.

replaced the old model spaceships with cgi (which i'm not sure needed doing).

It reminds me of the re-released Red Dwarf series 1-5 - they swapped out the old model footage for CGI stuff and it just seems wrong somehow. With TOS, it seems to make the fake nature of the effects more pronounced. Because I'm so used to seeing the Enterprise as a miniature model, I just automatically think of it as looking like that, so when I see the CGI Enterprise, it looks doubly fake.

i don't like it when they do that either, but maybe they feel the need to justify the HD remastering with this junk. they even did it with Next Generation, right?

It was much better done for TNG.

It's a lot less noticable in the TNG remasters.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/tng-r-changes.htm

whoa, that cleanup looks awesome. i actually may want to rewatch the first season for this!

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/angelone/16a-angelone-r.jpg

hmm I don't think the DVDs of TOS I have have any re-done effects/models. they sure don't look like it to my eyes anyway. was there an earlier, non-fucked with edition?

yeah, there was at least one, maybe two full DVD set releases before they did the current remasters

I have these: http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-The-Original-Series/dp/B0002JJBZY

they're perfect imho

TNG remastered DVDs are great.

the blurays let you choose between the old footage and the new (but are expensive at £80). the dvds only have the new (and were only £30). new packaging is dreadful though - 6/8ths of the cds had fallen out the paper slots in the post.

they've also re-done the theme. it sounds slightly wrong.

The onesie/pee problem is really only a problem with Troi... All the other female crew members are shown to wear the same unisex uniform as the men. (Except for Dr. Crusher, who has her own "doctor uniform", but that one has separate pants too.) And after the first two seasons she gets a rotating set of uniforms: one of them has pants and one has a dress, so the onesie appears much less after that. It seems that her being a counselor and not a ranked officer gives her more leeway in what she can wear... Maybe she thought the unitard looked cool, but after a couple of years of toilet problems decided wearing pants or a skirt would be nice for a change.

I knew I could count on you to take this issue seriously Tuomas :)

I've and buying the TNG Blurays, and I can confirm they look really nice. The digital rework is mostly quite subtle and not noticable; since the original series already had digital effects, the changes don't look so dissonant as the do in the Star Wars special editions or the TOS. Also, from what I've gathered they pretty much had to recreate some of the effects, because the original CGI images would looked awful in HD. But the rubberhead aliens and all the other practical effects are left intact, thankfully there's no SW level revision going on there.

I meant to say Blurays, not DVDs.

I am unashamed to say that I love Troi's monochromatic aqua blue dress ensemble and hope that becomes standard women's dress before I die.

We should do a Best Troi looks poll (making sure to include her as a Romulan).

this always bugged me how much it looked like they just stuck antennae on troi
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Phantasy_Star_II.jpg

The blu-rays for TOS have the original theme song with the original audio as an option. Although I'm usually a purist about such things, I actually like 90% of the new CGI effects, so I usually turn that option on but switch to the original audio.

Anybody else try playing Star Trek Trexels?

I am unashamed to say that I love Troi's monochromatic aqua blue dress ensemble and hope that becomes standard women's dress before I die.

I love this one too! So Atlantean!

http://media.tumblr.com/223e5184a20a89177bae62572457da0e/tumblr_inline_mozp99lZIh1qz4rgp.jpg

Though I do also like the regular uniform they gave Troi later on. IIRC it was actually a plot point that some high official in Starfleet told Troi she can't just dress however she likes, she has to wear the same uniform as everyone else.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/5/54/Negotiations.jpg

In the TNG pilot she actually had a similar uniform, but with a minidress:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UlXkqJ-q8nI/UDi3Y_h6LzI/AAAAAAAALp8/3ai4PFeblqk/s1600/Tasha-Yar-wearing-skirt-uniform-1024x768.png

I don't think it looks bad, but I'm still glad they got rid of it, because it kinda reeked of TOS era sexism.

yeah the short sleeve/miniskirt look didn't work on TNG at all. i do love both Troi outfits above

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten Tasha Yar had one too in the pilot. Mandatory minidresses and short sleeves on women just feels stupid in the supposedly egalitarian Starfleet. Especially on Yar, who was supposed to be masculine, physical counterpart to Troi's feminine empath.

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also lol i forgot it was DICK JONES' fault that Troi got the unisex outfit

i think around that time, or soon after she became a ranking command officer anyway

You forgot that Romulan look!

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120528001143/memoryalpha/en/images/f/fb/Rakal_%28Major%29.jpg

Though she doesn't look as fetch as I remember.

riker and picard look like future gangsters hanging out at the club w/picard's moll while DJ Yar spins vulcan motorik

I don't know why but the boots are cracking me up

lol DJ Yar

And even though the male characters rarely get a chance to look stylish, I just love the ceremonial dress uniforms Picard and Riker wear when meeting with important guests. So ballin'!

http://i.stack.imgur.com/2Gayk.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/184/ceremonial.jpg

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x19/manhunt001.jpg

Sorry, but those outfits just make Picard and Riker look like carvers in a high-end carvery.

ah but the miniskirt WAS supposed to be egalitarian

http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/star-trek-next-generation-male-mini-skirt.jpg

Sartorially, one of the weirdest TNG episodes is "The Most Toys", which features a rather obviously gay alien collector called Kivas Fajo (he basically wants to keep Data as his boytoy):

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae145/chozzles/322%20-%20The%20Most%20Toys/ScreenShot2011-08-13at112322AM.png

One of the things he demands of Data is that he should wear this ridiculous purple unitard:

http://www.theviewscreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/threadalert1-300x229.jpg

Seriously, wtf is that?!

http://subspacecomms.com/sites/default/files/0112-general/kivas.jpg

god the design on TNG is just so abominable

It got better! A lot better.

didn't Kivas also have a girlfriend who was de facto his captive and who helped free Data?

The outfit Q wears in 'Deja Q' is (possibly intentionally) ridiculous.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130127002522/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/0/0e/Q_in_civilian_clothing.jpg/620px-Q_in_civilian_clothing.jpg

I am pretty sure at one point in the80s my mother bought a cocktail dress with the same silhouette as the Picard/Riker dress uniforms

Early TNG design is pretty much what the kids are into now, pretty sure that Riker\Picard formalwear wouldn't look out of place at a Rick Owens runway show if it was monochromatic

just because some kids dress like Dazzler now doesn't mean her look was ever justified

Only the laggards are still into TNG. The hip kids are into DS9 now. Bajoran earrings are making a big comeback, yo.

And even though the male characters rarely get a chance to look stylish, I just love the ceremonial dress uniforms Picard and Riker wear when meeting with important guests. So ballin'!

yeah... as in they were gettin balled by other dudes

respect to nana visitor but michelle forbes rocked the earrings and nose wrinkles first and best

the last line of "the most toys" is the coldest moment in the entire series

The SF Debris review notes that if it were Lore instead of Data, that episode would be about five minutes long.

in non-ST news, canadian-filmed (I think) BBC America science fiction drama Orphan Black is going to have Michelle Forbes *drudge siren*

didn't Kivas also have a girlfriend who was de facto his captive and who helped free Data?

Yeah, but it remains unclear whether she's his "girlfriend", or whether he just enjoys torturing her? Maybe Kivas is bisexual, or omnisexual, or whatever his species calls it. He definitely gives a human gay vibe though.

The SF Debris review notes that if it were Lore instead of Data, that episode would be about five minutes long.

To be fair, one of the first things Kivas asks from Data is whether he is permitted to hurt others; and when Data says no, he uses that to his advantage. Plus he has that force field protecting him... If Data couldn't penetrate it, I don't think Lore could either.

the last line of "the most toys" is the coldest moment in the entire series

I read from somewhere that both the scriptwriter and Brent Spiner felt that Data did indeed fire his phaser intentionally. But apparently some higher authority (Roddenberry?) said Data shouldn't be able to do that, so they made the ending more ambiguous. I like it more like that!

If Data couldn't penetrate it

Quotes taken out of context.