Rolling Metal Thread 2014

there should be a thing like the Congrats on your 50* tweet! for ilx

Nah, this is the most interesting the metal thread's been so far this year!

Horse, if you don't wanna get into something, or think you shouldn't, maybe don't bring it up.

he just wanted to deride the word "cis", its cool

a woman being in the pit doesn't count huh

that said, the difference between "dismember the transgender" and "compulsive beheading disorder" (which is pretty lol, credit where it's due) seems obvious to me.

I had typed this out almost verbatim earlier, but gave up when it got caught in too many xposts.

there should be a thing like the Congrats on your 50* tweet! for ilx

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, February 17, 2014 11:32 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

congrats on your 50 FP post

would that include just women willfully in the pit, or those that involuntarily got included in the festivities? cos you know the latter NEVER happens at metal shows!

xxxpost of DETH

Horse, if you don't wanna get into something, or think you shouldn't, maybe don't bring it up.

seriously, c'mon

I'm actually really curious what the lyrics for the song are.

same here. couldn't find em online but I imagine it's just a matter of time.

I mean, for 98% of my posts on ilx I might as well type them directly into a Word doc for all the interaction I get out of 'em, but this one takes off?

well, but it's a good question, a key one for post-thrash metal really from Slayer onward, right - how are we to relate to the narrators of these songs? what's the function of writing in the first person about: murder, atrocity, torture, et al? what does the listener get out of it, what are one's limits and is there value in exceeding them within the work -- these are all super-old pre-modernist questions for sure but metal really hits them hard, and tends to do so at this who-gives-a-shit-about-theory level that's really visceral, that's an actual test of theories of excess in art etc.

I think it's a very good question (I mean it is a little hilarious because the band is called Prostitute Disfigurement! I mean if that's the name of the band you gotta figure at least one of the song titles is going to step far far beyond the bounds of politeness but that a particular song made you uncomfortable and why it is different from "Compulsive Beheading Disorder" is definitely worth thinking/talking about).

i think it's obvious why its different from compulsive beheading disorder, i think the main issue is why does it stand out if the name prostitute disfigurement doesn't (and songs to that effect don't)

i think rox made a good point about specified targeting being like a bright line here but right i mean that runs right up against all these other instances of the same kinda thing just with different people under the crosshairs

like it bothers me that one raised my hackles more than the other

for me it's just kind of the nudge from barely tolerating something to no longer being cool w/it imo

and the use of the imperative

didn't expect to find myself looking up interviews w/PD today but here we are. thanks to an interviewer for this excellent q

There are so many “frog-noise” bands coming up these days: especially in the Netherlands the new old motto seems to be: “faster, harder, louder”. Is your change of direction some sort of a statement or are you just looking for your own style? Niels’ vocals have become even deeper.

I hesitate to bring this up, but maybe they only did the song (as in, they probably came up with the title first) because 'dismember' rhymes with 'transgender'. I mean, that's the level of literary theory we're dealing with when you talk about this specific genre, let's be honest.

That's kind of what I assumed, and I struggle to take the vast majority of goregrind or pornogrind any more seriously than AxCx.

aero's comparison with Whitehouse is interesting and one that occurred to me at the first stages of the debate, and the Slayer example jjj gives is also kind of otm - the version I was thinking about is first wave BM, where to this day we're kind of ignoring how repugnant Varg is or whether Norsk Arisk Black Metal meant Darkthrone were actually racists really because Fenriz has turned out to be a sweetie.

I get the point about this being offensive and offensive to specific people though, but can't help thinking the 'live it like you write it' brigade is probably within the societal normal distribution for people who think like that anyway - there's undoubtedly more racists and wifebeaters at a Rihanna show than a Meat Shits show (for definite if Chris Brown is there).

The difference in perception between music and lit/film is also kind of fascinating now it's been brought up.

And of course where do Hatebeak and Caninus fit into all of this?

There's more posts about this band ITT than records sold by them

"post more"
"just not about that"

MAKE YER BLEEDIN' MIND UP

whenever this stuff comes up i always wonder how the sum total of human suffering created by all of metal stacks up against NYHC dudes kicking the shit of each other because they think Murphy's Law told them to.

I remember when NYHC dudes kicked the shit out of metal dudes.

(Get off my lawn.)

So did you all buy the new album by Cripple Bastards today then?

Speaking of music made by unsavory characters, the new Mayhem single is out and seems to have death metal creeping into it. I love this band and will be uncritically receptive to anything they do.
http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/premiere-mayhem-release-new-song-psywar/

Also, the Prostitute Disfigurement songs written (or co-written) by their bassist are even worse than the usual run of the mill Chris Barnes-type of tabloid serial killer stuff written by their vocalist. I doubt the bassist wrote "Dismember the Transgender," however, as his seem to be mostly aimed at his ex or exes (the lyrics literally say that). Lovely folks, but fortunately their music is so dull that I don't have to wrestle with whether or not I'll listen to it. Besides, In the Nightside Eclipse may be my favorite black metal album of all time and the drummer on that one killed a gay man in a homophobic rage so I don't get too choosy about maintaining any kind of integrity.

I like Mayhem and yet can't bring myself to listen to Burzum. My line is Varg-related.

I'm neutral on Prostitute Disfigurement

Hooray for capital letters

^works for the previous post too

I like mayhem too, of the non-murderous kind

My only problem with the new Prostitute Disfigurement album is that it's nowhere near as good as the one before it.

I just got a stream of the new Emmure album - the first track on that is called "Bring A Gun To School," and track 8 is called "Free Publicity." I love Emmure.

Oh, if I can go back about a zillion posts, if someone is trying to explore brutal death metal, the Prostitute Disfigurements of the world are not your only option. It's funny, though, my first impulse was to recommend Embryonic Devourment, whose songs are all about the David Icke conspiracy theories of a reptilian illuminati running the world (universe?) -- but then I remembered that a lot of people suggest Icke's ideas are anti-semitic and that "reptilian" is merely code for "Jewish." Maybe Hour of Penance? The Church, being the ultimate down-puncher, would be fair game according to The Rules. Conversely you could listen to Brodequin, who will regale you with detailed descriptions of every method of torture utilized by your friendly neighborhood Christian empire (historically speaking, of course). I listen to both and let them fight it out.

Funnily enough, I just listened to this year's Embryonic Devourment last week. It wasn't bad, but I didn't pay enough attention to the lyrics to pull out the Icke stuff until I read it in a review a few days later.

I think it's pretty clear that when Icke says "lizards" he doesn't mean "Jews," he means lizards. He's insane, you see.

hes snooker loopy

Maybe soon there will come a brutal death metal band writing songs about the conspiracy theory that David Icke's conspiracy theories are coded anti-semitism.

I wish there were more specialized-topic bands like Dim Mak to be honest

This conversation has entertained & enlightened me more than any of the bands ever could. I think I achieved gore nirvana when my parents refused to buy me Symphonies of Sickness for my 14th birthday. Quit while you're ahead and all that...

I've sat through a couple goregrind albums and kinda enjoyed them - Last Days Of Humanity - Putrefaction In Progress was recommended to me by a certain other metal musician & it's goddamn fucken impressive

listening again now. got really bad indigestion so this is perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68VUrXL0uqs

whoa
i clicked on that and this is what happened:

my eyes winced and i made a face
the music started and it made me feel sick
i lasted about 3 sec

this stuff is not for me at ALL
at least i know what it sounds like, kinda.

i don't begrudge anyone whatever they want to enjoy but it's not my kind of heavy or dark, that's all i mean
sorry for butting in every 2 years or so to pipe up for purely demographic reasons

Sounds like someone pouring ball bearings into a metal bucket.

one for the sticker

i appreciate aero's thoughtful comments abt goregrind's utility to trauma survivors, but i'm stuck with the impression that this kind of music (goregrind & pornogrind specifically) is produced by and large by guys for guys - mostly straight & white guys, but let's not dwell there. this is music for men that's all too often obsessed w first-person narratives about the butchery of women. and sure, butchery in general, but women do seem to bear the disproportionate brunt of it, especially where certain bands are concerned.

afaic, there's a blurry but very real threshold point past which explanations and intentions fade from view and what remains are the things themselves. here we have millions of men fantasizing endlessly, album after album, about raping and killing women. does this have potential art value and even positive social utility? sure, but only in the sense that everything does. i wouldn't begrudge anyone the right to draw boundaries wr2 such stuff, even when they're seemingly unconsidered or even incoherent.

millions of men

Ha ha, dude, how popular do you think goregrind is, exactly? I think "dozens" or "scores" of men is a more accurate description.

would imagine that millions of dudes have been into the likes of devourment, cannibal corpse & pig destroyer over the years. the world's a big place. i mean, i'm a dude and i like pig destroyer, wouldn't really lump them in w the other two, except, well, just a lot of women getting butchered all around. i'm not saying it's wrong, just weird and worth thinking about.

hundreds of thousands? i dunno. a lot.