actually im more mad i didnt get to break gucci over there ;_;
― peep game on gas prices (deej), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow: I feel like I'm prose-stanning here, but I don't get what's particularly condescending about the quoted bit, which seems to me like just a description of what's in the video being presented. Like most other videos that get teased/linked in the Forkcast section:
The clip for this electro-pop slow burner finds the French singer looking more like a Cali beach bum, playing a white grand piano while the tide laps at his feet and some blue-skinned honeys from the Star Wars galaxy keep him company. Then all of a sudden, he's riding a horse across a girl's backside.
In this strange, CGI-heavy clip ... Tim Exile's heavily treated vocals dance around his stairstepping techno beats, while a school of leopard-print fish dart around greenscreened cityscapes and rural highways.
Bolstered by snare taps and synth stabs, Mane declares the stoopid-ity of his chain. Then he runs for mayor, repping East Atlanta.
^^ The only rhetorical thing I see happening here is that a lot of the imagery in music videos sounds kind of funny when you describe it, so it's tempting to say things like "oh and then he rides a horse across a girl's backside."
― nabisco, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
yah seems like a pretty silly method of coverage considering folks can watch the vid imo but whatever -- not to speak for j0rdan but im sure its also got more to do w/ the fact that the guy has been recording music for years & was the biggest rap artist of the year last year & this is the first coverage hes gotten so it seems kinda ... slight. i think way more bothersome is the simple misinformation about labels & lead singles etc that i just mentioned
― peep game on gas prices (deej), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I feel like that's been changing lately, which is kind of nice -- there used to be a lot more "new video from X, involves horses, good one!," but more of them lately have packed interesting thoughts or bits of micro-criticism into those few sentences.
― nabisco, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link
kudos to nicki for the benzezez/yenzezez/lenzezez/sensitive/tentative rhymes
^^def official
― simon peggle (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
nabisco you're probably right about the (non-)condescension - but mostly my beef is w/ the fact that the video is just presented as is. i think that's an appropriate thing to do when fleet foxes or fever ray videos are being posted, but with gucci mane the non-post post (aside from having its facts wrong like deej says) is just pointless and disappointing. there are plenty of interesting things to say about gucci, and i wish this post would've just said something.
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, sure, that's fair. Haha I'm sure you'll be totally looking forward to an LP review on the site
― nabisco, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
& was the biggest rap artist of the year last year
By what measure?
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 22:14 (fifteen years ago) link
buzz, # of tracks released, amount of actual rapping on his records (sorry kanye)
― peep game on gas prices (deej), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, that struck me as weird, too, Jay. I've never had anyone irl talk to me about Gucci or heard anyone irl play his music.
― the most disgusting savage on earth imo (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sorry, didn't both Lil Wayne and Young Jeezy exist last year?
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link
haha yeah guys you're gonna have to get used to jordan & deej's gucci mane tunnel vision. although i am actually hearing about him up north more now and radio is actually playing the OJ Da Juiceman single, but still lol.
― Freak Man (some dude), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't agree with deej totally - because wayne, jeezy etc yeah - but gucci really was huge last year as long as you were paying attention to the 'right' places. it's hard to quantify in numbers because he didn't release an album or even a single, but no one was more eponymous on mixtapes last year - and more importantly imo no one was more bootlegged (not even wayne) - than gucci. dude has tons of underground 'buzz' in the truest sense of the word, and if he wasn't locked up in jail right now i think he'd be readying a pretty big push for an album.
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link
there were a lot of mixtapes named gucci mane?
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
let me be clear (agaIn) that i think deej and i don't see eye-to-eye re gucci's stature - deej lives in a big city, knows ppl irl who like rap, etc etc - but we're pretty close. gucci was inescapable this year if you paid attention to non-album southern rap at all. it's how careers are built
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link
this year last year same thing
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link
massive lols, s1ocki
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
there were, yes
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Lil Wayne (red), Gucci Mane (blue)http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=%22gucci+mane%22,+%22lil+wayne%22&date=all&geo=all&graph=weekly_img&sort=0&sa=N
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
No data available
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
i for one am shocked that the biggest pop star in the world is more trendy on google than gucci mane
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link
jaymc the notion that google search volume is a reliable measure is suspect when lil wayne is getting on katie couric etc
how much music did lil wayne actually release in '08?? the one studio record right? maybe a mixtape or two? id argue that w/in a general rap fanbase gucci was a much bigger rapper last year. wayne was barely rapping on it too
jeezy, you could argue he was bigger but itd be debatable
― peep game on gas prices (deej), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link
cursory google searches aren't turning up that many mixtapes named "Gucci Mane" although he does appear to be on a shit-ton
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Jeezy, Gucci
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22gucci+mane%22%2C+%22young+jeezy%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=%22gucci+mane%22,+%22young+jeezy%22&date=all&geo=all&graph=weekly_img&sort=0&sa=N
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link
obv when i was saying that im making some challops about lil wayne's career have peaked earlier than '08 with most rap fans even if you define that group pretty broadly
― peep game on gas prices (deej), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link
would love to know how many of the search queries at the peaks on that graph also contain the words 'megaupload rapidshare sendspace'
― all my single lobsters put a ring on it (tpp), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, March 3, 2009 5:36 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
there arent any mixtapes named Gucci Mane
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyway, "biggest rap artist of the year" to me means "most popular artist who happens to be a rapper" (in which case Wayne being on Katie Couric proves my point exactly) rather than "most ubiquitous rapper within the rap community" or whatever -- I couldn't even tell you anything about the "rap community," so I'll cede to you there.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:41 (fifteen years ago) link
make up yr mind, dude
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:41 (fifteen years ago) link
(not you, jaymc, J0rdan)
― Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh no, I know. :)
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
lol j0rdan & his critic words
― peep game on gas prices (deej), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link
yup
― Funky House, M.D. (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link
pitchfork is dumb (#4357385639):
Finally, out to everyone asking about my Pitchfork "Month in dubstep and grime" columns. The situation is that they've asked all the specialist writers not to contribute columns for Jan and Feb. I offered to write it for free - trust me, I've not been doing it for the money - but this didn't help. So, we'll see.
― lucas pine, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 02:24 (fifteen years ago) link
try and imagine a month without grime
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link
rather, imagine a world where monthly dubstep and grime coverage is supplanted by "The Month in Being in the Band the Pains of Being Pure at Heart"
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
OH NO PITCHFORK IS WRITING ABOUT THE MUSIC THAT'S PUT MONEY INTO THEIR POCKETS THROUGH THE LAST TEN FUCKING YEARS, THEY REALLY SHOULD SWITCH TO WRITING ABOUT SOME BULLSHIT NOBODY CARES ABOUT LIKE DUBSTEP SO I CAN POST A SNIFFY MESSAGE TO ILX ABOUT SOME MINOR FACTUAL INNACURACY IN THEIR REVIEW OF A FUCKING RUSKO ITUNES ONLY EP.
― special guest stars burt_stanton (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
The Month In Nebulous 'Nuum Beats
― tuomasters at work (blueski), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Young, Dumb and Full Of 'Nuum.
― special guest stars burt_stanton (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
the connection between pitchfork and music hype came to yet another embarrassing pick with the new (and mediocre) Wavves record review
― Zeno, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago) link
are you saying the review or the record is mediocre
― He grew in Pussyville. Population: him. (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link
ha..no, the record itself.i understand the logic behind the connection ive mentioned, but arent there any limits?are pitchfork capable of writing,for example, a bad review for a record that otherwise gets hype+good reviews everywhere else?
― Zeno, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
i have no idea but right now it's pretty obvious that they are, at an editorial level, going in hard on noisy/lo-fi/vaguely "pop" stuff from both coasts. they're jumping a trend and we're just gonna have to see how it plays out.
― He grew in Pussyville. Population: him. (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link
it will play out like most trends in music history.
― Zeno, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link
bloodily
― homie bhabha (max), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link
if they start going in harder on noisy/lo-fi/vaguely "pop" stuff from one coast than the other, we could be looking at another deadly east/west beef
― ban_stunt_rot (some dude), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
drummer from no age and avey tare = next pac and big
― ban_stunt_rot (some dude), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
"Reggae is vile."
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
xp hahaha yeah but instead of them ending up dead one of them is gonna get butthurt over their blog being hacked or some shit
― sug_banton (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 4 March 2009 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link