Right. If anything it reinforces patriarchy.
― maura, Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
This makes me want to play "Sucka Nigga" at full volume on loop for about an hour.
― Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Thursday, 13 February 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
http://theculture.forharriet.com/2014/02/nicki-minaj-uses-iconic-malcolm-x-image.html
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 13 February 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
Students of Civil Rights history will recall Dr. King broke from Malcolm X after his controversial 1964 call for broke-scrub rape
― Evan R, Thursday, 13 February 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
you should have rethought every single part of that joke
― Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Thursday, 13 February 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
i love nicki for the sociopathic hedonistic ultracapitalist thrills and i'm excited for this album but you have to work p fuckin hard to get progressivism out of her money-and-aggression shtick. the closest she comes to actually being progressive is that song where she lists all the famous women she's hanging out with. that isn't very close. i like her cuz her narcissism's a rush.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 13 February 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
the most patriarchy-hostile stuff she does is the goopy pop songs that boys hate.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 13 February 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I agree w Maura, that said we've tolerated gross lines from dudes that can rap their ass off forever
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link
they had much smaller asses, though
― kadeem hardsonned (some dude), Thursday, 13 February 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
biggie could fill out a thong
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
I haven't tolerated those lines.
― maura, Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:09 (ten years ago) link
But whatever.
sorry
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:17 (ten years ago) link
he thought he was on the rap bro thread when he wrote that "we"
― Punch Drake, Love (wins), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link
True
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
"The word "nigga" causes so much debate in our community while the "nigga" behavior gets praised and worship."
Nicki noooooooo http://instagram.com/p/kXxSthL8Vv/
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 13 February 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
Don't know if this flips the male gaze, but maybe puts it on blast a bit, what with her walking around rapping about having no time for guys intercut with disembodied male eyes leering at her before she machine guns them down. Also didn't read that as anti-broke dude so much as anti-dudes who front and talk shit but are going nowhere. I mean, unless we're about to retroactively declare "No Scrubs" to be classist reinforcement of patriarchy, not really sure how it differs much from something like that give or take several dozen curse words.
That rape line's still beyond unnecessary.
― Greer, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:01 (ten years ago) link
can we not blurred-lines nicki please
― katherine, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link
(by "we" I mean "we, the thinkpiece public," not "we, this thread")
― katherine, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
I think we have to get past the "black people are annoyed by the Malcom X imagery, esp. during Black History Month" storm first before we get to the "is this actually progressive?" argument
― Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
Too late, katherine:
http://massappeal.com/nicki-minaj-eat-crusty-boxer-briefs-nia/http://jezebel.com/nicki-minajs-new-song-is-a-rapey-waste-of-time-1521690861
― Murgatroid, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
The use of the imagery was clumsy bc it looked like the title was talking about malcolm rather than her identifying w/ malcolm, she shoulda just dressed up like him a la KRS One
although people would prob still be like "At least KRS One wasn't showing off his 'assets'!"
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:46 (ten years ago) link
That Mass Appeal piece was terrible respectability politics run amok.
I'm not giving Jezebel any clicks.
― Greer, Thursday, 13 February 2014 23:58 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, that Jez piece isn't any better. Conflates that rape line with her going pop.
― Murgatroid, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:00 (ten years ago) link
this track loses a lot w/o the visual i think... it's mostly just a sketch of a song otherwise
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
Part of the appeal is this, I think, like no chorus, just going hard for 40 bars or however many there are
Kinda like Dreams & Nightmares Intro
― 龜, Friday, 14 February 2014 00:02 (ten years ago) link
Don't think I can make it past the first paragraph of that Mass Appeal piece
sacha jenkins! haven't seen that name in awhile
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link
TREY SONGZ NO
https://soundcloud.com/buyamadeustrack/trigga-look-yall
― Jody Beth Frozen (some dude), Friday, 14 February 2014 12:09 (ten years ago) link
oh noooooo
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 February 2014 13:13 (ten years ago) link
― 龜, Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
-_-
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 February 2014 13:17 (ten years ago) link
"lookin ass" is more like a mixtape freestyle than anything
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 February 2014 13:18 (ten years ago) link
I chose that example also cause of the way she modulates her emotional output
― 龜, Friday, 14 February 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link
― Greer, Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah this is p much what i think. the status stuff is not progressive and has never been but...
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the context. i don't know, the rape line is easy to condemn and i'm not sure i want to defend it but this is the context. i don't think any woman, even scattergun nicki, would go there in a blasé, it doesn't mean anything, it's just a metaphor, mealy-mouthed way. it's a "how does it feel to be on the receiving end, once, of something women experience all the time" moment. is it the best way of making her point? is it progressive? probably not. does it perpetuate rape culture? unfortunately, you can't argue that it doesn't. but look at the comments underneath the video. and look at this trey songz nonsense. this song and that line has dudes shook.
also, looking at this from the perspective of the evolution of nicki minaj: look, she's historically gunned for fellow women. not just the lil kim maybe-specific stuff but "these bitches are my sons" etc. the people on the receiving end of her disses were almost always women, rarely men. the past year or so she's visibly shifted her focus to eviscerating men - "i'm out", "boss ass bitch" and now this.
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 February 2014 13:22 (ten years ago) link
well...yeah, did you think it was anything other than this? nicki's obviously still in the "whetting your appetite with remixes and freestyles" stage of the album campaign
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 February 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link
I guess my reaction is "what kind of weak-ass dude do you have to be to be shook by this?" which is pretty much an entirely different thread
― Fight the Powers that Be with this Powerful Les Paul! (DJP), Friday, 14 February 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link
well...indeed. but there they are, shook.
i hadn't even seen the malcolm x artwork til i read that thinkpiece.
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 February 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link
the real bummer is that lex might be right that Nicki is trying to say something but hip hop has such an ingrained, gross sex-as-violence, sex-as-financial-transaction, sent as gassed to onto rt dominance attitude that what passes as feminism to her is lashing out in the same way as men do
:/
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2014 14:03 (ten years ago) link
Wtf autocorrect - that's sex as assertion of dominance
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2014 14:04 (ten years ago) link
yeah i agree with that
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 February 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link
It's her Dogville, basically.
― longneck, Friday, 14 February 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
it's her descent
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 February 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
sent as gassed to onto rt dominance
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 February 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
upcoming nicki minaj promo video Sent Ass Gassed
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 14 February 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
Aww, she thinks she's Bey. http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2014/02/nicki-minajs-new-album-will-not-have-a-release-date/
― Murgatroid, Friday, 14 February 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
Trey Songz made a response song. I'm not going to link to it, I just want you to know that it exists.
― Greer, Friday, 14 February 2014 23:52 (ten years ago) link
I find the fact that Trey did a response song funny/interesting considering that he was on an official remix for the Mariah single, which came out on the same day, and we all know how Mariah and Nicki feel about each other.
― Murgatroid, Saturday, 15 February 2014 00:18 (ten years ago) link
It's interesting that Trey Songz thinks anyone gives a fuck what he thinks
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 16 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
I do :(
― Murgatroid, Sunday, 16 February 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link
Really? Like you were hoping Trey Songz would weigh in on this song?
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 16 February 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
Oh, no. No. I thought you were commenting on his general relevance.
― Murgatroid, Sunday, 16 February 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
the article claiming that Nicki "called out" Travis Scott is kind of weird since she just said she talked to him and he agreed with her
― President Keyes, Monday, 20 August 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
Looks like she'll be sitting in front of him @ the #VMAs tonite: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlDJ6zaV4AEgCEO.jpg
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 20 August 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/nicki-minaj-and-future-cancel-north-american-leg-of-tour/
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
There are some real clunkers on this, I still want to root for her but there's moments that feel eye-rolling obvious
― boxedjoy, Friday, 24 August 2018 12:43 (five years ago) link
Chun swae ftw
― Ross, Monday, 17 September 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
Overlong, no quality control and exhausting - both Drake and this are just records made for numbers - some good stuff but tons of duds
― Ross, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 11:25 (five years ago) link
The Drake album is overlong, yes, but it's also wayyyyyyy better than this.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 08:19 (five years ago) link
Yeah
I really have been trying to love this
― Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 12:37 (five years ago) link
the album is great c'mon
― brackEt, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link
i think the stuff here is basically everything we wanted from nicki like 5 years ago but in a year that no one cares
― brackEt, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
haven't heard it since release week but i remember being pleasantly surprised by some tracks
― dyl, Thursday, 20 September 2018 02:08 (five years ago) link
Yeah it’s growing on me bracket
Probably too harsh
― Ross, Thursday, 20 September 2018 05:33 (five years ago) link
Opening track is beautiful
agreed!
― dyl, Friday, 21 September 2018 01:39 (five years ago) link