Deafheaven

Hello. I liked this album actually and my false-metal bullshit receptors are generally quite acute. I think if you try not to get hung up on whether they're supposed to be metal or not, it greatly improves the experience, unlike with Liturgy who sound like someone trying to copy BM tropes based on some distant memory of having heard Nattens Madrigal once.

I think Deafheaven's sound is really satisfying. A kind of drowning, frying sound with some really stunning moments that transcend the typical BM and post-rock stuff people compare them to.

I think both Liturgy and Deafheaven are totally pleasurable listens and I find this TRUE KVLT arguments pretty moronic. Flaming Lips could only be improved by dude from Deafheaven in place of current singer.

periodic reminder that melodically these guys are the flaming lips

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:51 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah man the band these guys i GUARANTEE used to have posters on their bedroom walls of was ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead

the structures of the songs, chord changes, vocal melodies are total Trail of Dead just inna black metal stylee

I think Sunbather > Aesthetica, but Generation > every song by Deafheaven.

#importantopinion

the pecan tree is my favorite black metal track and despite a handful of my bloody valentine songs it's my favorite shoegaze track too

i love hunter hunt hendrix's manifesto and his role as public enemy no. 1 among metalheads more than i like liturgy's music.

trail of dead is a really good call, ums

Foster's Van by the Boo Radleys is my favourite BM song.

treesh, serious question, do you like any screamo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_-gNndrD7c&list=PL9D0487956FC7B9EA

this record owned

Am I missing something or are people actually upset about this not fitting into some particular subgenre or that it combines too many from others or something?

the thing with metal is it's never enough to like metal, you gotta like the right metal and you gotta like the right metal for the rights reasons and also you have to like the right metal for the right reasons at the right time, before the wrong ppl like it

i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion.

Am I missing something or are people actually upset about this not fitting into some particular subgenre or that it combines too many from others or something?

no, that's not what people are "upset" (="talking") about, though that is how people who don't just love the shit out of Deafheaven have their arguments characterized. xp cad otm as usual.

i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion.

― call all destroyer

^^^Exactly.

As I said elsewhere, it's like chocolate and ketchup. Both are fine things, and many people love them, but together they taste like shit. And for me, Deafheaven is the musical equivalent of chocolate and ketchup.

omg EZ you PURIST

For the first 20 years of my life I kept my foods from touching each other on the plate. That's now in the past, but some things bring it back.

Plus, my best friend made a chocolate ice cream and ketchup shake when we were 10 and it traumatized us both with its heinousness.

i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion.

― call all destroyer, Monday, February 3, 2014 8:55 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is true, but the full range of metal dudes' complaints itt includes mocking that this fusion could even be described as "metal" or "black metal" on the PR sheets. at the very least these metal dudes have questioned the purity of deafheaven's intentions in using these genre descriptors.

you can't complain about straw in your cheeseburger after you've been tossing straw around the kitchen: "none more false", "oh I'd guess their one-sheets will make liberal use of the word "metal"", etc.

i'm not totally sure that's what has been happening but even if so it seems like deafheaven fans want to make it very clear that they aren't actually interested in metal. so never the twain shall meet i guess.

like if deafheaven fans are saying "wow i found the one metal record i like" and metal fans are saying "great but it's barely a metal record" i don't see what the problem is.

I'm a Deafheaven-fan, and I like plenty of metal. From Sunn O))) to um... Om!

"i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion."

lol right.

there's nothing wrong with deafhaven that a reincarnated ronnie james dio couldn't fix

it seems like deafheaven fans want to make it very clear that they aren't actually interested in metal. so never the twain shall meet i guess.

orly?

i'm not totally sure that's what has been happening

he gave you quotes from the thread!

Can you guys help remind me which #team I'm supposed to be on?

The facts:
1. I like metal.
2. I like shoegaze.
3. I don't think Deafheaven is really metal or shoegaze.
4. I like Deafheaven though.

#TEAMBREEZY

i was talking abt folks like treesh and crimsonhex obv, cmon you guys

deafheaven is definitely an alloy of some sort. but one party thinks it's something like steel. the other thinks it's mimetic poly alloy sent back in time to destroy humankind.

like if deafheaven fans are saying "wow i found the one metal record i like" and metal fans are saying "great but it's barely a metal record" i don't see what the problem is.

― call all destroyer, Monday, February 3, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was talking abt folks like treesh and crimsonhex obv, cmon you guys

― call all destroyer, Monday, February 3, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

@call all destroyer, I'm trying to understand why you think you need to have an opinion on people who like Deafheaven to begin with.

I'll echo what jon /via/ chi 2.0 said and say:

1. I'm not a genre-fan. I think I stopped being one in my teens. So, you are right, I'm not a metal fan. But I'm also not a 'rock fan' or a 'jazz fan'. I am a 'music' fan. Revolutionary, isn't it?

2. I don't think Deafheaven are purely black metal. They mix a bunch of different styles like thousands of bands do. If I was forced to reduce them to a style or genre I would probably use BM and post-rock or some type of post-metalish thing, but I'd feel uncomfortable doing so, because I don't talk about music in those terms all that much. If and when I do, I think they should be taken with a grain of salt, as a loose point of reference; a simplification of whatever type of art form, and I would hope the person I'm recommending the music to has enough sensibility to not confine whatever music to specific genre rules.

3. LOL @ "i found the ONE METAL record i like". Please go on. I want to hear more on this.

As far the chocolate and ketchup analogy, the problem is, of course, music is intangible, thus, making it difficult if what you hear is actually chocolate or ketchup.

making it difficult to decipher if what you hear is actually chocolate or ketchup.*

basically i think the dynamics of successful crossover metal acts are interesting in terms of how ppl react to them. but if yr gonna be "what can we really know, it's all just music maaaan" then we prob don't have much to talk about.

because I don't talk about music in those terms all that much

ok, I'll bite - can you define the terms in which you do talk about music?

we need to agree on an orthogonal basis of genre words. then we would never fight because genres would be like pizza toppings.

To me the clear touchstones for Sunbather are not shoegaze so much as sentimental Explosions in the Sky style post rock and M83 type stadium-sized 80s romanticism. In light of that, it's not surprising to see it have so much cross-over appeal; in my opinion it mines that stuff and hybridizes it with metal pretty well.

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/why-are-black-metal-fans-such-elitist-assholes

well, that was terrible

the photo man, the photo!

yeah...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised but that just seemed like snarky, tossed-off linkbait barely arguing a point. sounds like a vice article alright.

so what does the record sound like, guys

I could liveblog it, this time not turning it off at the first EITS dickmove...

can a mod merge the alcest/liturgy threads with this one?

that would be like merging chocolate and ketchup

Liturgy were iirc just so much better than this

threadallurgy

rolling neil halstead metal thread

this thread is worse than hitler

you're way closer there than your flaming lips zing, aero!

well that's because they really do sound like the flaming lips! the shoegaze thing is misdirection really