Deafheaven

I'm convinced and rescind all prior arguments.

Also I do actually like the cover.

I bet you can mention more worthy BM than PR from the last few years. Sunbather put some agression and energy into the mix, and it's the best post-rock in eons, with the possible exception of the last GYBE.

i'd like to try with this band again, but the scream-o vocal style is really off-putting for me. is there anything that tones-down the yelling, or is especially accessible and hook-y (maybe that's an alternative way to approach deafheaven, if it's all scream-o vocals).

yes, i know; i'm super-duper old, and should probably be listening to paul anka.

Don't worry, their next album will probably feature some daring experimentation with clean vocals. Album after that you'll never know they were a metal band at all.

oh I'd guess their one-sheets will make liberal use of the word "metal"

I usually love mimsy pseudo-metal usually but these guys take Envy and Wolves in the Throne Room and make it into something of a shitstain. Poor man's Alcest and that's being really fucking generous.

idk if theres a joke behind yr dn i'm not getting, but i enjoy it regardless

ban cad; ki-moon

Such dislike from some itt

I like Sunbather quite a bit. It's a good album.

is it a final fantasy pun? yeah that would be outside my area but thumbs up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY

i mean, this song is stunning to me. i don't think it sounds like what i've heard of alcest and it definitely doesn't sound like wolves in the throne room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Dyaoq_oSA

I really liked this album. I understand that its very success is galling because that seems to be about the buzz delivery system and its lottery like windfall for some bands at the expense of others. But the drumming on this album is ace, there are great riffs, and it is really well sequenced. Which doesn't mean other albums didn't also come out that have those qualities too.

It was in my list this year so maybe I'm defensive but I just kept going back to it. It's also not a thing where if you dig this you can't also get down with Insquisition and Cultes Des Ghoules and harder/darker/kvlter stuff.

OK I was rather needlessly aggressive, sorry (I just migrated from another forum because of that kind of shit and I'll try to cut it out). I think I dislike DH largely because of "the buzz delivery system and its lottery like windfall for some bands at the expense of others" mentioned above.

I just don't find them particularly convincing as either a post-rock or metal band... And in general I prefer black metal bands that look like college professors/scruffy dudes rather than grumpy pandas with a leather fetish.

periodic reminder that melodically these guys are the flaming lips

now got a black metal cover of 'this here giraffe' stuck in my head thanks aeroboot

periodic reminder that melodically these guys are the flaming lips

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:51 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So?

the term Black metal is getting loose. it doesn't mean what it use to, like the word punks and hardcore. it when the casual fan gets a hold of it it turns into something that is different than the original intent.
This is whats happening with these guys.. A SF BM band, who I believe are a lot vegan, who use a lot of major keys, signed to an east coast hardcore label... Non of that really says Black Metal to me. And i'm not even a big fan of BM..

And in general I prefer black metal bands that look like college professors/scruffy dudes rather than grumpy pandas with a leather fetish.

― ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, February 2, 2014 9:44 AM

this brought the LULZ!

So?

So if you're into this band you might want to also check out the Flaming Lips, you might also like them

Shall I explain my upthread reference to Pete Seeger?

who I believe are a lot vegan

aero that is a serious accusation you are making

I'm glad my work is not going unappreciated here goon tie but listen for yourself, deafheaven is flaming lips + genuinely spectacular drummer with the vocals traded out for "black metal"

http://www.stereogum.com/1617782/deconstructing-alcests-shelter-and-metal-in-a-post-deafheaven-world/franchises/deconstructing/

Was just thinking, their last album Torn Beyond Reason was just too early for the big wave, but if the Northern Silence label dudes do their job, the new Woods of Desolation album could totally be this years Deafheaven.

Hello. I liked this album actually and my false-metal bullshit receptors are generally quite acute. I think if you try not to get hung up on whether they're supposed to be metal or not, it greatly improves the experience, unlike with Liturgy who sound like someone trying to copy BM tropes based on some distant memory of having heard Nattens Madrigal once.

I think Deafheaven's sound is really satisfying. A kind of drowning, frying sound with some really stunning moments that transcend the typical BM and post-rock stuff people compare them to.

I think both Liturgy and Deafheaven are totally pleasurable listens and I find this TRUE KVLT arguments pretty moronic. Flaming Lips could only be improved by dude from Deafheaven in place of current singer.

periodic reminder that melodically these guys are the flaming lips

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:51 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah man the band these guys i GUARANTEE used to have posters on their bedroom walls of was ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead

the structures of the songs, chord changes, vocal melodies are total Trail of Dead just inna black metal stylee

I think Sunbather > Aesthetica, but Generation > every song by Deafheaven.

#importantopinion

the pecan tree is my favorite black metal track and despite a handful of my bloody valentine songs it's my favorite shoegaze track too

i love hunter hunt hendrix's manifesto and his role as public enemy no. 1 among metalheads more than i like liturgy's music.

trail of dead is a really good call, ums

Foster's Van by the Boo Radleys is my favourite BM song.

treesh, serious question, do you like any screamo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_-gNndrD7c&list=PL9D0487956FC7B9EA

this record owned

Am I missing something or are people actually upset about this not fitting into some particular subgenre or that it combines too many from others or something?

the thing with metal is it's never enough to like metal, you gotta like the right metal and you gotta like the right metal for the rights reasons and also you have to like the right metal for the right reasons at the right time, before the wrong ppl like it

i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion.

Am I missing something or are people actually upset about this not fitting into some particular subgenre or that it combines too many from others or something?

no, that's not what people are "upset" (="talking") about, though that is how people who don't just love the shit out of Deafheaven have their arguments characterized. xp cad otm as usual.

i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion.

― call all destroyer

^^^Exactly.

As I said elsewhere, it's like chocolate and ketchup. Both are fine things, and many people love them, but together they taste like shit. And for me, Deafheaven is the musical equivalent of chocolate and ketchup.

omg EZ you PURIST

For the first 20 years of my life I kept my foods from touching each other on the plate. That's now in the past, but some things bring it back.

Plus, my best friend made a chocolate ice cream and ketchup shake when we were 10 and it traumatized us both with its heinousness.

i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion.

― call all destroyer, Monday, February 3, 2014 8:55 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is true, but the full range of metal dudes' complaints itt includes mocking that this fusion could even be described as "metal" or "black metal" on the PR sheets. at the very least these metal dudes have questioned the purity of deafheaven's intentions in using these genre descriptors.

you can't complain about straw in your cheeseburger after you've been tossing straw around the kitchen: "none more false", "oh I'd guess their one-sheets will make liberal use of the word "metal"", etc.

i'm not totally sure that's what has been happening but even if so it seems like deafheaven fans want to make it very clear that they aren't actually interested in metal. so never the twain shall meet i guess.

like if deafheaven fans are saying "wow i found the one metal record i like" and metal fans are saying "great but it's barely a metal record" i don't see what the problem is.

I'm a Deafheaven-fan, and I like plenty of metal. From Sunn O))) to um... Om!

"i think what has been happening is that people who are knowledgeable about the genres deafheaven are attempting to fuse are saying that in their opinion it is not a particularly successful fusion."

lol right.

they made a goth Alcest album, to be more precise

this feels more distinct from alcest than their earlier work did

society if In Blur came back around for a third chorus at the end: [img-utopia]

Definitely a highlight of 2021. Hasn't faded a bit.

Is there a huge difference between the newly-released remastered version of Sunbather? I haven't had a chance to listen yet. I'll probably pick up the new CD when I see them later in Philly even if there's no real difference but I have trouble they'd put it out on formats other than vinyl if it was essentially the same thing.

New one is even more loud (i.e. compressed).

Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement!

The ringing will be in your ears.