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I use AAC for encoding all the CDs I'm ripping and selling back -- because they were CDs I've barely listened to in years, and therefore encoding them in a format I can't play on my stereo is sorta appropriate, really.

Soulseek's popularity among the human race is really kind of exaggerated on ILM/ILX. And its popularity among Mac users is even less.

I dunno, I've used it for over a year with no real problems.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Codecs aren't like VHS/Betamax anyway. It's only a matter of providing software support for them. Anyone can play an Mp3 or AAC (or FLAC or Ogg for that matter) so why not encode with the better codec.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't get Nicotine to give up shit for search results on a Mac.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Me either. It has ruined my life(style)!

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

is it FUBAR?

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously, anything going up against mp3 is just looking to be the next BetaMax. Complete proof: my mother has heard of mp3s.

I disagree with this in theory; I mean as far as I can tell as long as an end user has iTunes then they're not going to notice if they've downloaded an MP3 or an AAC file, for example, unless there one of the handful of people who have affixed $10,000 speakers to their computer and use it as proof that MP3 is a vastly noticably inferior product. The main problem that would back up your theory and refute mine though is the AAC doesn't seem to be supported by several popular music players, though that might've changed in the past year-ish.

xpost proving my point about the $10k speakers. Tom, you realize that on iPods, ie what you are saying is the selling point of this sound file type, the sound difference basically disappears? Or like at my house, without really nice speakers, the sound difference isn't noticable?

MY POINT HERE: 99% of iPods purchasers don't give a shit about file type/benefits/et al. As ModJ says, who wants a Dell MP3 player. That is all.

― Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Everytime I hear an MP3 encoder fuck up the entire range above 9Khz or so and fuck up all the hi-hats, or screw up the volume dynamics when a song goes from quiet to LOUD, I kill a cute little tadpole with the force of my hate.

that'd be the garbage mp3 codec that apple bundles with itunes then? you don't get this kind of artifacting with lame mp3 vbs. and ed i'd switch to ogg in a heartbeat if more portable players supported it, apparently it's too memory-intensive a codec to support.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Really Ned, that's great, my mom and dad have never fucking heard of it, but they use the iTunes Music Store and own iPods.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I love those cute little wooly socks for the ipod mini. Awwwwww!

Those white earbuds SUCK, though.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

and yeah Nicotene seems totally fuxored recently. OTOH I stopped paying them to put myself on high priority downloading so maybe that's the issue and I just never realized how bad it was for queues et al previously.

I agree, btw, that for many intents and purposes AAC is a superior codec but I don't think the actual practical sonic difference between the two is enough to make most people actually give a shit, particularly for the usages most people are going to have for these files. Main tangible benefit seems to be it's a smaller file, IIRC without looking at iTunes right now to double check.

jesus christ Tom, xpost, why don't you marry an iPod.

― Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

My mom and dad DO use slsk, or did in the past before my sister fucked their comp with a virus, and wouldn't consider purchasing an iPod if I paid them to do so. What the hell does that argument prove?

― Allyzay Needs Legs More (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Please, please can everyone on this thread hands up who actually actively cares a fucking shit about AAC encoding besides Tom Millar?

*raises hand*

― Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Many other brands of MP3 players support AAC, I know the iRiver ones do. It's part of the MPEG-4 standard so it really supersedes MP3 (MPEG1 Layer 3 in long form). AAC is an internationally accepted standard.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

adam makes a good point, those proprietary earbuds are so crap that they basically wash away all the differences between mp3 and aac anyway. no wonder people don't give a shit.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Ally, is arguing about audio codecs more or less lame than visiting trade fairs online?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

kisses

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

It's all geekery to me.

― .adam (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally there are ways of using LAME with iTunes (and Ogg playback only, obv not on the iPod), search on http://www.macosxhints.com/

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

not on pc.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

god i hate itunes. fucking monstrous footprint.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I know it's an Apple thread, but this "AAC is better than MP3" business is not a closed case by any means. Maybe at 128Kbps, but they both SUCK at that bitrate.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

disco mix question: any way to get rid of the little space between tracks itunes inserts?

― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

itunes preferences > audio > crossfade playback = 0 seconds

for burning to cd, i think you have to look elsewhere, but this works for playing "live"

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

god i hate itunes. fucking monstrous footprint.

But when you're using it on its native machine, it's a whole different deal. On Windows, its only advantages are the way it organizes the music and edits ID3 tags. Other than that, it eats memory and processor by using QuickTime (yuck!) and works spottily with some PC hardware configurations (in my experience). But on a Mac, it's so seamless. You can't imagine using anything else.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

As someone who uses winamp 2.81 and just organizes mp3's into things called "folders", why would I want to install itunes? I tried MusicMatch Jukebox a long time ago, but I hated how it was a resource hog and how it didn't reflect how I had scrupulously arranged my folders.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

you probably wouldn't, then.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

if nicotine isn't working well anymore it's probably because slsk upgraded something and necessitates that all slsk users upgrade their clients to 155. so something probably needs to be upgraded in nicotine now.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont like itunes either. i put things in folders. i like winamp. is there a winamp for mac?

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just thinking my slsk searches have been MORE productive the last couple of days. (Solarseek 0.6)

― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i like itunes. it puts things in folders.

― American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

does it actually move the files in the OS?

xxpost:
I remember using macamp, which had a similarly small footprint.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

LSTD, I have done what Jaunty Alan recommends and I still get a tiny hesitation between tracks, which makes segmented DJ mixes impossible. It's VERY annoying. I have a four-year old computer, though, and an almost-full harddrive, so maybe that's why.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

winamp v5.08 is the shit, i love it. it has all the functionality of itunes without any of the clunkiness. i can make 30,000 mp3s searchable and fully indexed just like in itunes. plus it has smart playlists, song ratings, and ipod support now - i don't understand why any pc user would bother with itunes.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer: There is an option that you can select where itunes will create the necessary folders for new mp3s that you've added to your library. I download things to my desktop and then drag them onto the itunes icon and it adds them to the library (which is on my external hd) by placing a copy in it's own folder, as necessary. The original mp3 is still left on my desktop and is then put in the trash bin by me.

Or were you asking a different question?

― American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

That's very interesting. I wonder if it works the same way for windows (which I use).

As for winamp 5, the way I use winamp it was very slightly slower. Maybe I'll try it again and try to get my head around the expanded features.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Jaunty & Tracer: thanks, I'll see what happens... having the complete works of The Fall on random was the raison d'etre for this digital extravangance, but i'd be nice to jack the house once in a while.

― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

the media library feature in winamp 5 is well worth it.

fwiw i found it slow at first too, i fixed that by changing back to the original skin.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the itunes library organization because the heirachy is ARTIST_NAME > ALBUM_NAME which makes sharing my music pretty easy. The downside to this though is that a single song from an album gets it's own album folder, which makes it seem like the whole album is there. Also, soundtracks can be a bit of a pain if the artist name shows up, because the tracks will go into the folders of the appropriate artists and not into one album folder for the soundtrack ... unless you change the info in itunes. I don't worry about it much though because it is not often that I need to browse through my music at the file folder level.

― American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

ugh ... "its" for "it's" where necessary.

― American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate browsing through files on slsk that have been 'organized' by itunes

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost
Hmm, sounds complicated.

xxxpost:
excellent, I'll try it with the old skin!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

mark, i havd 20,000 mp3s. please come over an organize them for me. there's a $20 in it for you.

― American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

throw in some fig newtons and we have a deal.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

you can "havd" all the fig newtons you want.

― American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

dean freedb is your friend

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of organizing music. Is there a way that a consumer can use UPC bar codes to access product info and put it directly into a spreadsheet? Either with a scanner or by inputting the codes manually?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

spencer just use the 'consolidate library' function. I think its under advanced or something like that. Itunes will automatically copy things over into folders and whatnot so you can clear out whatever directory you use for downloading.

― major jingleberries (jingleberries), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Can it be "undone"?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

It can't be undone, but since it moves copies of the files and not the actual file itself, you can always delete the result if it's not satisfactory.

― American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Or better yet, snag a copy of ssX. I was using nicotine for awhile and made the switch to ssX and haven't looked back. It's significantly stabler than nicotine and doesn't need X11.

― Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

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