He's right that Late Night Maudlin Street is the highlight though. It has the most 'Durutti' guitar sound of any of the tracks.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
Not weird for me, seems more like this "humble genius" thing where highly skilled people underestimate their talents. Also having a stroke and reflecting your life/artistic legacy could have changed his self-assessment.
― DDD, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
reflecting on*
Do you guys know about the extra/missing track on some versions of "Return" ?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
I had trouble following a lot of that Soundcloud interview, even at full volume. When he was saying "dont laugh at me", I wasnt sure if he meant someone in the audience or if it was about him feeling belittled by some people in general or something else. Also wondering if him talking about seeing an old lady getting beaten up is about something he saw happen or comparing that to the situation of some depressed people. I kept rewinding it and still couldnt really hear.
In that other interview he said that he doesnt get royalties from his albums. Did he mean that he actually doesnt at all or that they dont sell well enough for him to get much?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
DDD ... I think what I meant was that the guitar on much of "Viva Hate" is undeniably Vini-esque ... and so it feels uncomfortable to read him crediting Street with the skills and dismissing his own previous claims as "displaced anger", when perhaps he was absolutely justified in feeling un(der)credited ... whilst not feeling surprised to read him denying he's anything special. Can understand why he would want peace with others, at this point though.
― djh, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
He said he'd not "Sold anything" for 4 years, so I guess it's that.
I daresay he'll get a good amount from the new "Return of" reissue
― Mark G, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
I'd hope so...but I don't know how much profit something like is going to make.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link
I was actually disappointed (truly disappointed) that the guitar wasn't more distinctively identifiable as Vini. Seems like he compromised his sound for the album. Where are you hearing Vini-esque playing?
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
If I didn't know it was Vini Reilly, I wouldn't have guessed it was him on any of the tracks.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
djh, now I understand what you mean. Regarding that VH dispute: AFAIK Street composed some demos and, after getting a "Yes" from Morrissey he got Reilly to play guitar on the studio tracks. He wasn't impressed with them though (dismissing them as three-chord crap) and fleshed them out, which for him was considered composing the tracks.
There's this interesting documentary from the (early?) 00s with literally every Morrissey solo album producer, T. Wilson and V. Reilly talking about his career. Viva Hate is discussed right after 5 minutes - Reilly and Street give their side of the story, this weird "session musician/composer" discrepancy that lead to this conflict.
― DDD, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link
Relistening now to find clear examples. There's a bit in the background on Little Man, What Now.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link
("led", not "lead")*
― DDD, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link
Bengali actually has some distinctive Vini-esque playing too.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWlq0DtZ8c
― DDD, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link
The very end of "Margaret" has some distinctive Vini playing, but I agree that most of the album it's hard to tell it's him.
― Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
To be fair Viva Hate is technically not a Durutti Column album
― DDD, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link
oh, you may find this interesting...
http://www.juliehamill.com/post/74722538816/fifteen-minutes-with-vini-reilly-guitarist-with
― OutdoorFish, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
Um, this link has been posted before and has in fact sparked the discussion we're having right now...
Anyway, if you want to know how Vini Reilly is recovering from his stroke these days, check out this interview:
― DDD, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
Can never choose between Another Setting, LC or Circuses and Bread.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
I think anyone that's heard the Vini Reilly album from 1989 (and the outtakes on the recent Kooky reissue) can clearly hear that it's Vini on Viva Hate.
Some comparisons:
The "noisier" tone on 'People's Pleasure Park' and the same tone on 'Alsatian Cousin'The floaty playing on 'William B' and the same thing on 'Late Night Maudlin Street'The rhythm tone on 'Red Square' and the same tone on 'Everyday is Like Sunday' and 'Break up the Family'The nylon finger picking on 'They Work Every Day' and the same on 'Margaret on the Guillotine'
Just for a few examples.
― Austin, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
I love LC and Circuses and Bread, but for me Another Setting is miles above all. I think it has the most sorta post-punky/joy divisiony moody pop songs, with a bunch of perfect little instrumentals rounding it out. Songs like Missing Boy or Tomorrow may be better than all the songs on Another Setting, but as a complete album, Another Setting is it for me.
― dan selzer, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
Once Prayer starts I feel my whole body relax. It's a remarkable feeling and happens every time. It's not 'hairs on the back of my neck' but it's just as powerful a feeling.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
Good god, Chronicle is heart wrenching.
― austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 21:45 (nine years ago) link
I still haven't played my copy but i'm looking forward to it.
There's a video of Swing Out Sister covering The Perfect Kiss by New Order where they end by playing a Durutti Column guitar riff. Pretty sweet.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJrUvQdro0
from 2:42 on
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:19 (nine years ago) link
nice
― doctrine the house (electricsound), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
is it "for mimi"? that's lovely
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 01:34 (nine years ago) link
'Jacqueline', originally from the second album, but played live for many years to follow.
― austinato (Austin), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 01:55 (nine years ago) link
I can't see this thread appear without a vague feeling of ... fear/sadness.
― djh, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
I think Swing Out Sister should record an album of DC covers. It will sell like HOTCAKES in Japan and make them all some money, Vini especially.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
You may or may not be joking but I would preorder that today.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
I'm not joking. I don't know anything about Swing Out Sister beyond Breakout and just read they're still "big in japan", and liked that New Order cover. I think the combination would be interesting and would certainly find an audience.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link
Weird. This just appeared in my Twitter feed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGvzjmUs8Y
Odd to see V looking vaguely healthy.
― djh, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
Love that clip, have watched it many times previously.
― Austin, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I love that one too. This revive prompted me to put on DC. Now made it through Obey the Time and started Vini Reilly. Hope to get through Circuses and Bread later tonight.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:39 (eight years ago) link
LTM finally reissued "Another Setting", get it if you don't have it!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 5 December 2015 04:37 (eight years ago) link
3 copies of Another Setting already, but I'm likely to buy it again if it's on LP or the CD has different bonus track than the Factory Too reissue from the 90s
― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 5 December 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
My favorite DC album by far. I have the original factory cassette, LP and Factory Too reissue. I think that reissue just has the original Amigos Em Portugal as the bonus tracks.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 5 December 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
A four CD reissue of Without Mercy? Why sure.
http://www.factorybenelux.com/without_mercy_fbn84.html
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
this bump made me nervous. happy to see this news
― flappy bird, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
Looks great.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Monday, 21 May 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
haven't listened to vini for ten years? have to fix that.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 21 May 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
Uh, yes please
https://darla.com/products/durutti-column-the-obey-the-time
Factory Benelux presents a deluxe 3xCD box set edition of Obey the Time, the eighth studio album by Manchester ensemble The Durutti Column. Originally released by Factory Records in December 1990, the original 10 tracks have now been expanded to no less than 43.Marking a further break with tradition, dance exploration Contra-Indications was taped with New Order programmer (and later co-manager) Andy Robinson. Released in December 1990, Obey the Time (Fact 274) would be the last Durutti Column album on Factory before the labelled collapsed beneath a mountain of debt.The multitude of studio extras spread across Discs 1 and 2 include single and remix tracks The Together Mix and Kiss of Def, rare compilation cuts such as The New Fidelity, The Awards Show and Times Like These, and several extracts from two unreleased Factory albums recorded during the same 1989/90 period: Guitar One: House (Fact 254) and Guitar Two: Acoustic (Fact 264). Disc 3 features 11 live tracks from a previously unreleased performance at Manchester University Whitworth Hall on 23 June 1990 (opportunistically billed as ‘The Acid Guitar’), on which Reilly and Mitchell are joined by guests Andy Connell, Liu Sola and Rob Gray.3xCD tracklist:Disc 1 1. Vino Della Casa Bianco2. Hotel of the Lake 19903. Fridays4. Neon5. Home6. Spanish Reggae7. Art and Freight8. The Warmest Rain9. Contra-Indications10. Vino Della Casa Rosso11. The Together Mix12. For Zinni III13. Fridays (Up-Person Mix)14. Kiss of Def15. The New FidelityDisc 21. Together – Razormaid Mix2.Megamix3. Dry4. Out of the Blue5. Paradise Passage Road6. Rope Around My Neck7. Short8. Boat People 19. Boat People 210. Grade 2 Duet11. Octaves12. For Madelaine II13. Pete’s Riff14. The Crowned Goddess15. Times Like These16. The Awards Show17. My Country (Monarchy Mix)Disc 31. Home (live)2. What It Means to Me (live)3. English Landscape Tradition (live)4. Opera II (live)5. Finding the Sea (live)6. Otis (live)7. Jacqueline (live)8. Requiem Again (live)9. Take Some Time Out (live)10. The Missing Boy (live)11. Sketch for Summer (live)
Marking a further break with tradition, dance exploration Contra-Indications was taped with New Order programmer (and later co-manager) Andy Robinson. Released in December 1990, Obey the Time (Fact 274) would be the last Durutti Column album on Factory before the labelled collapsed beneath a mountain of debt.
The multitude of studio extras spread across Discs 1 and 2 include single and remix tracks The Together Mix and Kiss of Def, rare compilation cuts such as The New Fidelity, The Awards Show and Times Like These, and several extracts from two unreleased Factory albums recorded during the same 1989/90 period: Guitar One: House (Fact 254) and Guitar Two: Acoustic (Fact 264).
Disc 3 features 11 live tracks from a previously unreleased performance at Manchester University Whitworth Hall on 23 June 1990 (opportunistically billed as ‘The Acid Guitar’), on which Reilly and Mitchell are joined by guests Andy Connell, Liu Sola and Rob Gray.
3xCD tracklist:
Disc 1
1. Vino Della Casa Bianco2. Hotel of the Lake 19903. Fridays4. Neon5. Home6. Spanish Reggae7. Art and Freight8. The Warmest Rain9. Contra-Indications10. Vino Della Casa Rosso11. The Together Mix12. For Zinni III13. Fridays (Up-Person Mix)14. Kiss of Def15. The New Fidelity
Disc 2
1. Together – Razormaid Mix2.Megamix3. Dry4. Out of the Blue5. Paradise Passage Road6. Rope Around My Neck7. Short8. Boat People 19. Boat People 210. Grade 2 Duet11. Octaves12. For Madelaine II13. Pete’s Riff14. The Crowned Goddess15. Times Like These16. The Awards Show17. My Country (Monarchy Mix)
Disc 3
1. Home (live)2. What It Means to Me (live)3. English Landscape Tradition (live)4. Opera II (live)5. Finding the Sea (live)6. Otis (live)7. Jacqueline (live)8. Requiem Again (live)9. Take Some Time Out (live)10. The Missing Boy (live)11. Sketch for Summer (live)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 January 2019 23:19 (five years ago) link
good, only a couple more until we get to the Time Was Gigantic reissue!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 21 January 2019 07:19 (five years ago) link
https://olivercherer.bandcamp.com/
Vini's guitar being used well.
― djh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link
saw this revive and simultaneously experienced two very different and extreme emotions:
VINI DIED.
VINI'S BACK.
both with this facial expression: O_O
glad i was wrong.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
oh, he is literally using one of Vini Reilly's guitars!
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 22:55 (five years ago) link
x-post.
Yes, I have previously proposed a ban on this thread just because I always jump to the first of these.
Haven't actually heard the story of the guitar and wonder if it is mundane as "Vini sold his guitar"? Still, I have time for Cherer.
Might move this conversation to the Second Language thread - less traumatic for those watching.
― djh, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link