flag post city. population: treeship
― you are kind, I am (waterface), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
haha I love yr attention to detail. did you catch the knob falling off the oven during Marnie's crazy smoothie-making scene?
this was really funny somehow. this whole ten-second scene, with the self-help monologue in the background and marnie's determined face.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
How the hell did Laird get a turtle into a POM bottle
― 龜, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:48 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Only plausible explanation is that he put a baby turtle inside the POM bottle and the POM bottle was the turtle's home for 3 years because that's how long it takes for turtles to grow that big
― 龜, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:49 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i thought about this for five straight minutes too
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
this only just occured to me now and it's blowing my mind
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
The turtle thing was pretty strange. Also what the fuck is going on with Jessa the past two episodes. Was her friend really named "Season"? And what was the point of that whole subplot?
― pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
pom bottle being the turtles world was my immediate thought and i really appreciate them never bringing it up
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link
yeah this ep was solid except for the jessa subplot
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
xxpost re jessa I'm not really sure, seems like part of an ongoing point about jessa + people/relationships
jessa's friend faked her own death to stop being friends with her, so it seems like the point is that jessa's relationships even on a friendship level are v v dysfunctional and that she pretty much does what she wants without really any regard for other people and she is basically oblivious to their needs etc
but then that girl was maybe kind of fucked up already if she's going to fake her own death instead of manning up to jessa
idk I kinda liked the subplot, it made me lol because jessa is so weird I like her
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
her convo with shosh was hilarious too btw
Jessa's being "the self-destructive one" starting to get a bit one-dimensional+an ep filled with reminders of mortality+I was stoned
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I was half-expecting it to end with Jessa's sudden death? idk
― my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link
didn't that actress had conflicts at some point i read about on the gawkster or am i just imagining things now
― my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:32 (ten years ago) link
jessa's inflection on "none of this is going to work out for you by the way" was excellent petty evil
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link
low-key but in substance a vicious hateful curse
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
― my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:32 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
Maybe you're thinking about Charlie?
― 龜, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link
Jessa subplot was silly I agree but otoh the writers probably wrote "DEATH" on the whiteboard when brainstorming for this episode and really who in the room was gonna get up and erase that and write down something different??
― 龜, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 22:58 (ten years ago) link
I dunno I thought this was a good callback to the episode where Ray told Hannah to write about serious shit (like death) and she failed miserably
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
i want more ray, i like him
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link
lol c'mon a character like Jessa having a friend named "Season" is one of the most plausible things on this entire show.
― vylvyt ylvis (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
Unlike every other movie or TV show where a young person's bedroom has been production-designed with completely incongruous band posters, everything seems totally real on GIRLS
― Walter Galt, Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:56 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah totally realistic that a coffee shop worker and a, what? what does adam do? live in a 2 bedroom apartment in Brooklyn.
adam in this episode greeted marnie with "hey marnie are you enjoying your life of doing absolutely fucking nothing all day?" but marnie has had jobs in the show. rather implausible ones but, you know. adam sometimes makes things out of metal and wrote half of a play and that's about the size of it.
― i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
controversial opinion that I would like to be disabused of: jessa is a really boring and rote character. no idea what other people enjoy about her. I think there's empathy and compassion for her despite her sometimes shitty-ness, but I don't get any insight or humor from her escapades. what am I missing?
pessimistically feeling like this show has no real idea what it's doing so far this season. feels like a first draft with stock conflicts and half-hearted Larry Davidisms.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
one thing this show is really great at is showing how people are often willfully blind to their, uh, blind-spots. that people sorta choose to see what they see.
― ryan, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
― i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wait was that not to jessa
this was the first good ray episode for a minute, the on-going perpetual-high-register general Seinfeldization of Karpovsky has to stop & in this episode that tide was stemmed
― mustread guy (schlump), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:05 (ten years ago) link
maybe it was, you're right.
― i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
That Gawker/Jezebel argument was like they were reading right off some thinkpiece from 2009. Hilarious. Also, I love Alex Karpovsky and wish to marry him.
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
pessimistically feeling like this show has no real idea what it's doing so far this season.
I also feel like it's a little unmoored. Concerned that maybe it's becoming some kind of a "by committee" process at HBO, or else that maybe Dunham is paying too much attention to what various critics say
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
adam's rent is being paid by his grandma, this was addressed in season 1
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
the central conceit is that he is a deeply conflicted trustafarian of sorts
i have some problems with the dialogue in this series - that even when it's good, like shosh's line about hannah's hair making her look like a boy on a fancy cookie box, it feels too perfectly above actual language - but i really did like that sweet adam line, i think "i wouldn't know what a tree was"
― mustread guy (schlump), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
it feels too perfectly above actual language
His GIRLS Friday
― 龜, Thursday, 30 January 2014 01:23 (ten years ago) link
Episode 5 is on demand apparently. Watching now
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Thursday, 30 January 2014 03:25 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:00 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark
Just had a #GIRLSidea - they should borrow a page from the X-Files and introduce a Monster of the Week concept that would allow the writers to rest during that week & generate cool and good multi-episode story arcs
― 龜, Thursday, 30 January 2014 03:29 (ten years ago) link
ep.5 was kinda like that?
re: language: Shosh has a few good one-liners, but the overall tone of the dialogue in this episode (or at least Hannah, Adam, and Caroline's contributions to it) could only be described as 'hysterical'
― my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
... and maybe 'exhausting'
― my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
if you accept 'shouty' that would also work
she's not on anyone's side, she's the doctor philllllllllllllll
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link
the eye roll at 'joan didion' was very good
― eric banana (s.clover), Thursday, 30 January 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
episode 5 was my fave so far this season. the meeting with the editor and her assistant was hilarious as was hannah's narcissism at the funeral. even when she is trying to cover for herself: "no, i never thought he was gay. i thought he wanted to sleep with me actually."
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Friday, 31 January 2014 05:31 (ten years ago) link
i don't hate marnie at all either. she is just finding her way and doesn't know enough not to be self-centered. the show seems to take it as a rule that adolescence lasts until age 30 or something and none of these characters can reasonably be held responsible for their actions. i mean, hannah on the phone with her father -- just totally shit-talking her lawyer cousin because he doesn't work on glamorous cases -- is just being a teenager. she is an idiot but in a way that mostly hurts herself: small-minded, judgmental, resentful of the world's refusal to indulge their every desire... basically these characters are like holden caulfield, but a decade older.
i don't have any sort of insights about prolonged adolescence and am not even sure if it's a real phenomenon, although it's clear that many people do think it's real. the creators of GIRLS seem to think it's real, and to nudge the audience in the direction of indulging these characters as they make a lot of painful mistakes and don't learn from them right away. my fear is that the show is unwittingly playing into the hands of reactionaries who hear about things like the student debt crisis and think it's about a lot of spoiled kids getting impractical degrees and not thinking about their futures. idk. are twenty-five year olds less mature today than they were in previous generations? i am inclined to answer no. but maybe the existence of a show like girls indicates that our popular culture is, in general, more willing to show compassion for people who are stupid and selfish and short-sighted. this would be a good thing ftr.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Friday, 31 January 2014 06:07 (ten years ago) link
i said mean things abt marnie upthread i think, during season 1, but i don't hate her at all anymore either. i eyerolled a lil at ray saying explicitly that her (occluded) good nature is "what makes [her] a sympathetic character"--also at where this scene inevitably went--but i liked a lot marnie collapsing in despair onto the table after her sarcastic thankyou; she made just the right noise. i also liked the hannah/adam/caroline stuff, thought it was well-written/staged/acted in itself even if its relationship to the show as a whole is a lil aimless. in general i think i watch this show for scenes.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 31 January 2014 06:44 (ten years ago) link
are twenty-five year olds less mature today than they were in previous generations? i am inclined to answer no.
I'm inclined to answer yes.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 31 January 2014 06:46 (ten years ago) link
maybe in the past more people were thrown into situations they weren't ready for, like parenthood and home ownership and war. or maybe adolescence is just a thing that continues until you no longer have the luxury of it anymore, and this can happen at any age.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Friday, 31 January 2014 06:51 (ten years ago) link
been ages since i read catcher but i don't remember holden being quite as detached from others as hannah tho. dumham/the writers are getting p harsh w this character; throwing some cancer keywords into her dad's phone call so she could ignore them almost felt cheap.
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 31 January 2014 06:51 (ten years ago) link
lol dumham. dunham.
well, i brought up catcher because holden is notable for his lack of self-insight, which is part of the reason he is such a convincing symbol of adolescence. hannah seems similar. you get a sense that from her perspective her life looks very different than it does to the audience.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Friday, 31 January 2014 06:57 (ten years ago) link
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Friday, January 31, 2014 1:51 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think a lot of people would say that prior generations developed maturity younger because they were in those situations at a younger age. It's postponing those things that postpones maturity, not the other way around.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 31 January 2014 07:43 (ten years ago) link
Hurting otm
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 January 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
if you go back far enough (ie a little over a century) adolescence didn't even really exist. there was childhood (which was often remarkably short) and then adulthood, with no in-between.
― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 January 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
Totally saw the Caroline "I made it up" reveal coming
Was hoping that Adam would have gone "Hey wait /I/ had a cousin named Margaret" at the end for the double twist
haha yeah same
― flopson, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 04:20 (ten years ago) link
Answering 'yes' to this is of course a stock position that people throughout recorded history have loved to hold
― cardamon, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 05:09 (ten years ago) link
Personally, I think the immaturity diagnosed in today's 25-year-olds might have a lot to do with the difficulty they have in getting a job, and the insecurity of any job they do get, i.e. the thing we might call immaturity is not an inherent trait but a logical development given the world in which they exist
If your lifeworld means you're a bank-clerk for life, or on the factory production line for life, putting up and shutting up is probably what you're going to do as a result. Putting up and shutting up is for many people sufficient to count as maturity
― cardamon, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link