The Pet Shop Boys' first twenty singles...

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Alfred, I totally agree with every song you list there except for "Young Offender" (and I think you're light on b-sides; for example, "We All Feel Better In The Dark", "Paninaro", "Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend", "It Must Be Obvious", "Some Speculation", "In The Night", "I Want A Dog", "Jack The Lad", "Too Many People", "Was That What It Was?", "A Man Could Get Arrested" and "Music For Boys" are all awesome).

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 October 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Off top of head:

2/0
Violence
Kings X
Dreaming of the Queen
Closer to Heaven
To Step Aside
Different Point of View
I'm Not Scared (Patsy version)
Electricity
London
That lovely Chris Lowe song at the end of "Very"
Everything on "Behaviour"

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred, I totally agree with every song you list there except for "Young Offender" (and I think you're light on b-sides

I'm following scott woods' instruction, Android Cat: omit b-sides. Had I included them, the list would easily have been triple its current length.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

As for non-single album tracks, "Nervously" has to be in there, as do also "Boy Strange" and "This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To Leave".

I guess b-sides aren't non-singles or "Miserablism" would also have been an obvious contender.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah yes, "Miserablism"!

Excluding b-sides is silly.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

By all means, don't follow my criteria too closely--because I can't. Scanning the album tracks, I realize it's actually hard for me to come up with 20 non-singles I completely love--tons of things I like a lot, but that sort of list could go on forever, and what's the point?

I came up with 14, and whittled that down to ten. I tried not to get too chintzy about this but nonetheless disqualified, for instance: 1) "Left to My Own Devices" LP version, the only version of the song I really like (probably my all-time favourite PSB track);
2) "I Want a Dog" (also the Introspection vers.) because I know in some form or other it's also been a single or a b-side (though again, the LP version destroys the others)
3) "Always on My Mind" - ditto the LP version (w/the chipmunks break), which isn't necessarily superior to the single, but is just as great.

Anyway--here's 10 (very light on recent stuff--not nearly as blown away as others on this thread seem to be).

Two Divided by Zero
Why Don't We Live Together
It Couldn't Happen Here
King's Cross
To Face the Truth (was happy to see this on Alfred's list; it never gets mentioned anywhere)
A Different Point of View
Dreaming of the Queen
The Theatre
Young Offender
Closer to Heaven

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

to be honest, i don't think i know nearly enough about what's a b-side and what isn't (also, in which country??). in some cases, i don't even know what's a single--I always assumed "dreaming of the queen" was a single, for instance. nor do i know alternative well enough to comment on it, so maybe that was my ulterior non-b-side motive...I bet there'd be lots of stuff from that album I'd include, as I liked it a lot back when I listened to it.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad someone else thinks the version of "I Want A Dog" on Introspective is a slammin' track (shoo, Dan Perry).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

OH NO THE WARS BEGIN ANEW.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Mention this to him, Ned, and I send my men after you.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Tell them to go west, as life is peaceful there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

some of my friends went to the pet shop boys on sat. nite.

they said it was fantastic!

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, I wasn't trying to taunt with all those introspective tracks--i wasn't reading far back on this thread, and forgot about Dan Perry's hatred of it, which I obviously just don't get. To me, Frankie Knuckles piano solo on "I Want a Dog" alone is as good as just about any music released anywhere ever and by anyone.

so what's next on the agenda? in terms of psb lists, I mean?

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Their twenty best looks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm...

1) bored
2) bored
3) bored

can only come up with three, sorry.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

how about their two best books?

1) literally
2) pet shop boys vs. america

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Pardon -- twenty best *outfits*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

that would be good (though difficult). also, 20 songs by other people that would make ecstatic PSB covers.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The remix of "I Want A Dog" off of the "Where The Streets Have No Name" single is fantastic.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

how about their two best books?
1) literally
2) pet shop boys vs. america

You missed
3. Annually

which is as entertaining as the other two and a little more playful.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I need a copy of ...vs America imme-jit-ley.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes you do.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I love "I Want a Dog" for the reasons Dan hates it: Tennant's vocal. The thunderous backbeat and Knuckles piano make the listener augur lyrics less trivial than the ones Tennant offers in that wan half-croon, which is precisely what he's asserting: chihuahuas and cats and flats are appropriate subjects for a dance track. The track is a masterpiece of deliberately foiled expectations.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Er. Did I actually say that I hated Tennant's vocal on "I Want A Dog" at some point? If I did, I was totally talking out of my ass; my issue is completely with the backing track. The "thunderous backbeat and Knuckles piano" are bog-standard house fixtures that come across as being completely generic and uninteresting to me, especially when compared to the claustrophibc proto-deep-house vibe of the original recording or the truly nasty syncopated thud of the remix I referenced earlier. Tennant's singing and lyrics aren't even in the equation (across all three versions they are excellent; in fact, I'd say they're the only redeeming thing about the Introspective version).

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, I just realized you've got a new screename!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Until now he really thought he was talking to an android cat, giving no love and getting fat!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

If I ever sing that line to Dan, I better avoid a generic, uninteresting house backbeat.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

DAMN SKIPPY

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

not really helpful but these make me smile

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Brilliant:
"Minimal"
"A red letter day"

Good:
"New York City boy"
"Miracles"
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"

OK:
"Home and dry"
"Flamboyant"
"I'm with Stupid"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk"
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"Liberation"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"Paninaro '95"
"Before"
"Single-Bilingual"


Crap:
"Numb"
"Absolutely Fabulous"
"Somewhere"
"I get along"


(Shouldn't "London" be in there, too? I'd put that in the 'good' pile, if only for the bit in the video where the old man gets pushed off the bus.)

davidsim (davidsim), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm prepared to reconsider 'Red Letter Day' after years of hate (and I do like the more subtle, pensive mood of the Basement Jaxx mix).

;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

how about their two best books?
1) literally
2) pet shop boys vs. america
You missed
3. Annually

which is as entertaining as the other two and a little more playful.

-- Billy Dods (butterbubble...), October 30th, 2006.

damn billy beat me to it.

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Not finding much about that book online ('not available' at amazon). What is it?

s w00ds (sw00ds), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't Annually their new coffee table book?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

My take

Classic:
"I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing"
"A red letter day"
"I'm with Stupid"

Great:
"Liberation"
"Yesterday, when I was mad"
"I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more"
"Miracles"
"Flamboyant"
"Minimal"

Good:
"Before"
"You only tell me you love me when you're drunk""
"I get along"

Average:
"Home and dry"
"Absolutely Fabulous"

Good but pointless:
"Paninaro '95"

Poor
"Somewhere"
"New York City boy"
"Numb"

Insufferable:
"Se a vida é (That’s the way life is)"
"Single-Bilingual"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Btw. I thought "London" was a single. At least they made a video to it, but I guess it still wasn't one. Same about "Email"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

'Numb' is a bit dull but i don't get why it's hated this much by so many.

;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I need a copy of ...vs America imme-jit-ley.

You do need it if you don't have, but, great photos aside, and a few fine anecdotes (i.e., Axl Rose sending them flowers, if I recall correctly) it's not nearly as worthy as the previous book. The stakes just never seem as high as the title would imply.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Not finding much about that book online ('not available' at amazon). What is it?

-- s w00ds (rockcritic...) (webmail), October 31st, 2006 2:48 PM.

Isn't Annually their new coffee table book?

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (soto.alfre...) (webmail), October 31st, 2006 2:52 PM.

Annually was their fan's 'cash in' book which came out in 1988. You'll only find it now on ebay or abebooks. I've uploaded some images of the book on flickr.

They discuss their favourite records

Neil Tennant discusses his clothes

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

'Numb' is a bit dull but i don't get why it's hated this much by so many.

The keyword here is Diane Warren....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, yes! Their unofficial website has transcribed the favorite-records bit. Neil: Joni Mitchell's Hejira and "True Faith"; Chris: Rick Astley's Whenever You Need Somebody.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

has there EVER been a good song called "Numb"?

That book looks great.

s w00ds (sw00ds), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"Numb" is a perfectly fine album track that is a soggy single.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"Neil: Joni Mitchell's Hejira"

!!!

The man has impeccable taste.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

At least two good "Numbs": Portishead and the Jamelia cover of the Linkin Park song, obviously.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The man has impeccable taste

So does Chris!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

The best "Numb" is actually Sia's. Fact.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't really get the "Numb" hate either. Alfred is definitely OTM though: fine as an album track, headscratcher as a single.

Oh, and Geir, IIRC "London" was a German only single release.

David Bachyrycz (David Bachyrycz), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Slight off-topic: do you guys prefer the re-recorded version of "A Man Could Get Arrested" or the version released as the B-side to "West End Girls" (and currently found on the Please reissue)? The B-side version has real drums, bass, and zealous backup singers; it's possibly the only concession to mid eighties production fads they ever recorded – and all the better for it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"Numb" is not really that much of a headscratcher for a single. At this point the aim, I would imagine, is to try to sell more copies of the album -- by attracting non-fans of the Boys who hadn't bought it the first week. So they tried to do this by releasing something that the public wouldn't peg (and immediately dismiss) as a typical PSB song ("Integral"). It didn't work, but it made sense in some ways.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link


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