shhhhh secret thread to talk about music without getting into a high-pitched ilm shriekfest on whatever thread is going on atm

I am not going to lie, it is incredibly thrilling and life-affirming to me to hear one of the biggest pop stars of our time singing "I'm so brown/Bow down bitches"; it's basically the early/mid 90s all over again

what about that line resonated with you? not being snarky at all; genuinely curious.

The past... 2+? years have seen online conversations about feminism dominated by white people who seem hell-bent on making people of color outcasts/invisible, discounting their opinions, attempting to silence their concerns and generally make people of color "know their place", which is subservient to prominent white, oftentimes male feminists. There was an entire blowup around Hugo Schwyzer, for example, where he basically wormed his way into feminist circles in order to take advantage of women and, whenever called on it, would deflect criticism/focus to a person of color and attack them for not being good allies, and many white women ate it up until a pretty spectacular implosion where all of his awfulness and manipulations were laid bare, leaving the women who complicitly allowed or actively encouraged him in his behavior high and dry. There was also the situation with Tim Wise blowing up on Facebook about how sick he was of people of color not being more grateful to him for being a white man making a living off of championing their cause by taking up as many speaking engagements about the problems/issues facing people of color as he could.

Watching all of these situations, and watching people criticize Beyonce for singing about how much she enjoys her marriage, and having Beyonce come back fists swinging with that song is a gigantic, cathartic release; a massive "fuck you" by proxy to the machinery of this country which lynched my great-grandfather for the crime of not giving up his bus seat to a white man. That is why that song/line resonates with me.

or to put it more simply, if you're rolling your eyes at that line or the statement Beyonce is making with her album, remember that slavery was not actually illegal until 1943 and then shut the fuck up

i'm not rolling my eyes at that line.

(or the statement beyonce is making with the album. i hadn't gotten that statement from the album, but that's not to say it isn't there).

that wasn't a "you" you (although I appreciate that it sounded that way)

understood.

holy fuck why wasn't I posting here instead. consider yourselves spared I guess but I p much agree with jjj on 100% of these songs

well, we're still waiting for him to get to hot fruit

I'd rather hear Hot Fruit than another dull UK diva

And yes, I agree that there was a distinct lack of decent rock tracks or anything with some kind of heaviness or edge to it. I don't think that's really ILMs fault because there simply wasn't a ton of stuff like that that I was drawn to this year.

The weird thing is that this was a really good year for me and music but now I'm feeling pretty blah

Betty who - somebody loves you - what the hell is wrong with you people

― Wendy Carlos Williams (jjjusten), Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ok I should expand. This is the sort of shit that made me pissed when it would stink up Americas top 40 when I was an early teen. Lifeless anthemic dumb shit about nothing backed with paid intern synth lines, "wacky" retro multi tap reverb vocals. Plenty of stuff that I haven't liked at all, but this is the first one to make me actively mad at you guys.

― Wendy Carlos Williams (jjjusten), Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw jjj this was imo the worst thing out of many very bad things on the entire list & completely just completely unbelievably boggle-eyedly terrible in every conceivable way

love betty who, but mostly for 'you're in love' (which only received the one vote from me.) 'somebody loves you' isn't as good but it had that viral video so there it was.

Betty Who is supposed to be a joke or parody or something, non?

I do like that Bunji Garlin thing although its catchiness is starting to do me 'ead in.

I was thrilled Garlin made the top 10.

Also really pleased that, despite submitting a fairly wide-ranging international ballot (the only British or American performer in my top 20 was Britney) that most of the songs i voted for had other voters. It's great to see multiple votes for Temi Dollface (8), Stromae (5), Nyusha (3), Ivan Dorn, Lady Saw, etc, etc.

ShariVari, some of your picks and recommendations were excellent. I also really liked Bachanal.

Yay!

That Lady Saw track, 'Bun Fi Bun' is one of the most fiercest things I've ever heard in dancehall.

The best part of the whole tracks poll was lex praising a Paramore song's "chunky riff."

rad djp posts

The best part of the whole tracks poll was lex praising a Paramore song's "chunky riff."

― Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, January 24, 2014 12:46 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this slayed me

lol

I'm still back on j0rd humblebragging about not being able to get offended by swastikas tbh

yeah. hoping that "swastikas don't bother me" doesn't become the hip-trend of 2014.

http://www.united-academics.org/journal/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/siouxie-swastica.jpg

http://www.united-academics.org/journal/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/siouxie-swastica.jpg

yeah yeah.

i'm aware of it. still hope it isn't a hip new trend.

fwiw that pic kept me from actually exploring Siouxsie and the Banshees back catalog until around 2003 and I still kind of hate her for it

totally.

xp - pretty sure she apologized for it at one point

I've been looking for the post-2000 interview I read where basically called every black person in LA a thugged-out ape but I can't find it; I may be misremembering the strength of the statement but there were definitely bad vibes

siouxsie in 2005:

Siouxsie is surprisingly frank, if unrepentant.

"The culture around then," she explains, "it was Monty Python, Basil Fawlty, Freddie Starr, The Producers- 'Springtime For Hitler'." She kicks out her leg in a mock goosestep. "It was very much Salon Kitty. It was used as a glamour thing. And you know what?" she sighs." I have to be honest but I do like the Nazi uniform. I shouldn't say it but I think it's a very good-looking uniform."

You shouldn't say it for fear of upsetting the PC mob?

"Yeah. It's almost like you feel like saying,'Aw, come on. Nazis - they're brilliant.' Political correctness becomes imprisoning. It's very - what's the word? It's being very Nazi! It's ironic but this PC-ness is so fucking fascist. In America they're especially touchy about Nazis and it's so Nazi! You go to LA and it's so segregated. It's very Nazi and the irony is they don't get it. They don't realise how Nazi they are about taking offence to mentioning the word Nazi."

I feel like there was a specific story she was telling about an unpleasant interaction with someone but I could very well be conflating some things.

At any rate, I tend to be very wary of white people who say things like that 2005 quote because they almost invariably think that someday, when they get to know me well enough, I'll be okay with them calling me a nigger.

It's the whole conflation of PC with actual oppression. "You're oppressing me by frowning on my racism!"

I'm mad I didn't know about this thread. Much more my thing than the actual rollout.

Thanks for the heads-up last night, john.

so... Melt-Banana is kind of awesome, huh

yup!

they are! I'm a big fan of cell-scape

DJP - you just warmed my heart with your mention of "hocket"

oh yeah I meant to look that up

haha thanks!

HOCKETY POCKETY WOCKETY WACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bd5YUEOwlE

for those wondering, here is an example of hocket:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enbHYaF8Vas

There's also a terrible video of Dirty Projectors doing something similar only much worse

hocketing and Meredith Monk = back to my comfort zone

revive

listening to grails at bedtime. grails are a good band, I think.