Neil Gaiman - S/D

it's funny, you see this idea used all the time in cartoons, but i can't really remember ever seeing it used much in comics.

So apparently there'll be a new Sandman prequel coming out next year, written by Gaiman and drawn by J. H. Williams. It'll tell the story of what happened to Sandman just before issue #1, as hinted in one panel in Brief Lives, and in Gaiman's introduction to the Doll's House TPB.

I know Gaiman's mentioned before that he might some day write this story, but I wonder if the real reason he's doing it 15 years after the series ended is because DC finally promised him a big enough pile of cash to write a new full-length Sandman story. I predict it'll be like the stuff in Endless Nights: an okay-ish story, but mostly just a showcase for the artist.

he spent ages trying to get them to let him do this same story for the 20th anniversary, but they wouldn't pay him any more than he got in 1988, even on the same page rate but a deferred royalty program that he proposed to not kick in until after the collection was out. so I think it's less likely "a big enough pile of cash" and more likely "a royalty higher than 6%, from 2015," once another year of JHW's exclusive has recouped

details are in the Bissette/Golden

I predict it'll be like the stuff in Endless Nights: an okay-ish story, but mostly just a showcase for the artist.

Yeah I'll probably buy it, but mainly for the drawings

Which is about how I looked at PROMETHEA during its second half or so.

Has J. H. Williams actually done any comic where the writing would be on the same level as his art? Maybe Seven Soldiers #0? Batwoman and that one series with Ellis were okay, but it still felt like the art was the bigger draw even in them.

The writing in the first year or so of Promethea was terrific IMO.

yeah, and I don't think he's outshining the writing in Chase at all

The writing in the first year or so of Promethea was terrific IMO.

it wasn't until Moore got locked into his "and now we're going to visit EVERY sefirot!" thing that it started to get tiresome imho. actually the sequences after that are pretty good too.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the first third of Promethea, when the "lessons on Magick" thing hadn't started yet. Yeah, that was pretty good stuff. I wonder if Moore always intended Promethea to go from regular plots to lecturing, or whether (as Douglas suggests in his book) he only changed gears when he realized Williams and Gray were actually able to illustrate whatever kabbalistic concept he threw at them?

First third/half/whatever of PROMETHEA is well-written. I guess DESOLATION JONES was, too, though I'm not a big fan of Ellis' work overall.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/07/01/arts/ap-us-comics-sandmans-return.html

Gaiman is giving a talk at the MFA and one of my friends is trying to crowdsource a ticket into it

I hope he's offering beer and/or hugs in exchange

Wasn't this Sandman prequel announced like a year ago? I guess J.H. Williams finally finished drawing it...

Oh yeah, looks like we were talking about the prequel when this thread was last revived, exactly a year ago. I can see why DC would want to put out a new press release, now that it has an actual publication date, but the wording of the news is still weird: Shelly Bond, executive editor of the imprint of DC Entertainment, said Monday that Gaiman is working with artist J.H. Williams III to tell stories of Morpheus' world before he was captured. As if all this is new information.

Anyway, since this one is supposed to be set in another galaxy (if we are to believe Brief Lives), I guess we can expect some widescreen cosmic visions from Williams? I've no problem with that.

"under the influence of writer Neil Gaiman" - does this mean he's not actually writing it?

post-AP Gaiman so comfortable with RTing praise that he can cite himself as his biggest influence

What do "post-AP" and "RTing" mean?

Post- Associated Press?

Amanda Palmer, Retweet

Thanks! Still don't get what "post-Amanda Palmer" means...? From what I've gathered, she's some sort of a controversial musician? I've noticed the ILM thread on her, but it has like 2000 posts, so I haven't dared to try and read it.

She worked hard for every one of those posts, you should respect her effort.

pvmic

Tuomas on the money in this case

Tuomas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gaiman#Personal_life

Ah, okay. I read Amanda Palmer's Wikipedia page, and it seems she's some sort of an attention-seeker? Is Sic suggesting Gaiman has become an attention-seeker too, now that he's married to her?

It's not the seeking as much as the getting - the levels of self-absorption apparent in the recent Guardian interview are more relevant to sic's joke, which has been thoroughly beaten to death by now.

I kind of want Tuomas to watch The Wright Way and read the Ben Elton thread now.

Must start 'Explain these clusterfuck threads to Tuomas' thread on secret board ILILX.

Or possibly on the higher-traffic IHILX.

Tuo, you're a beloved poster and a cherished member of the ilx community. You should read the Amanda Palmer thread, starting maybe a year back into it, and next time it pops up, join in the discourse.

i will never, ever understand US ilxors' fascination with some C-list goth of negligible fame and less interest

Or Amanda Palmer.

for many people a really special fingernail clipping makes a huge difference

so this is happening
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/12/joseph-gordon-levitt-sandman-movie

still skeptical

Not sure why, but I can't imagine this going well at all.

Sandman is unfilmable, and WB is a joke of a company with no respect for its IP. Wouldn't be surprised if the final product (which probably still won't happen) resembles Constantine.

oh wow there's a producer attached to a Sandman movie for the first time ever

surely the Wachowskis will line up for this crapfest

brett ratner or gtfo imo

Still think the only way this might work is as a TV series. Chuck Lorre, anyone?

David Goyer, stop working

oh nevermind, this thread is in comics... didn't realize

Discussed on the Amazon Prime thread.

any version of the phrase "This is a story about stories" - argh.

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 14 August 2017 12:57 (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

"Sandman is a story about stories"

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