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They also said how Prince got into an unprecedented battle to leave his record label, when early they'd already talked at great length about George Michael also battling to leave his record label at exactly the same time.

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Prince did it before George Michael, let's be honest, he did everything before George Michael. I wouldn't mind if Jacko won it but Prince just seems to be so much more to be the embodiment of the decade.

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Of the nominees I'd most like to see Joy Division win, but I could never claim they were "the embodiment of the decade".

― The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

One album and one single in 1980? Joy Division AND New Order perhaps.

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

My mum wouldn't know Michael Stipe from Michael Praed so he's hardly one of the most recognisable rock stars in the world.

Also Springsteen has not been particularly successful commercially outside America with the exception of Born In The USA so that statement is also fallacious.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Predictions for upcoming decades

70s = Bowie or Stevie Wonder
60s = Dylan
50s = Chuck Berry?

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:13 (nineteen years ago) link

nah stevie wonder wont win, hes more known for his less good 80s work.

why cant british tv have better music programmes? i dont want to see any more bullshitty list-oriented programmes. id rather have the word, or the white room, or the tube.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:18 (nineteen years ago) link

nah stevie wonder wont win, hes more known for his less good 80s work.

Of course he isn't!

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link

First Stevie Wonder song which my mum can think of: the one she calls "I Disco To Say I Love You."

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i am choosing not to interpret DVD's tone as sarcastic and whole-heartedly agree. they should bring back The Beat Club as well (little known BBC CHOICE live music show - featuring Dakar & Grinser live amongst Stereolab videos and best of all NO PRESENTER)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

70s: Abba
60s: Stones
50s: Cliff?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:30 (nineteen years ago) link

im totally serious, the word was brilliant youth/music tv programming compared to the bland insipid insulting shite on TV these days. those pretty young idiots who present TOTP need to be punched.

and only genuine music lovers know stevies 70s work more than his 80s sap, its sadly true.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

SW had like what, 2 hits in the 80s?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

and both dwarf everything he did in the 70s in the eyes of 90% of the world!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember liking 'Skeletons' as a kid - don't think it charted highly tho

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard great things about the Beat Club but never saw it, as it was on in the days when nobody had BBC Choice. It was produced by Glasgow indie guru Duglas T Stewart (of BMX Bandits), who seems a top bloke. Some of you might remember his appearances as Scottish Sporranspondent (arf!) on Mark & Lard's sorely missed night time radio 1 show.
C'mon BBC Scotland, give him some wedge and a production team!

― Stew S (stew s), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevie Wonder have 15 Top 30 hits in the 1970s as opposed to 9 in the 1980s. Admittedly 7 of the 80s hits were Top 10, only 5 were Top 10 in the 70s. Album info is harder to come by but, let's face it, Stevie Wonder was hardly an obscure cult figure in 1970s!

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

He had 6 UK hit albums in the 70s.

Also six in the 80s, though they didn't hang around in the charts as long, 1980's Hotter Than July excepted.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Albums:
Talking Book (Feb 1973) - #16
Innervisions (Sep 1973) - #8
Fullfillingness' First Finale (Aug 1974) - #5
Songs In The Key Of Life (Oct 1976) - #2
Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants (Nov 1979) - #8

Hotter Than July (Nov 1980) - #2
Original Musiquarium 1 (May 1982) - #8
Woman In Red (OST) (Sep 1984) - #2
In Square Circle (Sep 1985) - #5
Characters (Nov 1987) - #33

Curiously, "Music Of My Mind" doesn't appear to have charted at all!

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Rockist Dadaismus is leaving out Greatest Hits collections from both decades.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought about including them but neither of them did very well

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmmm, maybe its a UK thing (or a sign of my age, i was born in 79), but over here, apart from the obvious tracks like superstitiion, people seem to remember stevie most for his 80s hits. its sort of like the way people know david bowie best for his lets dance era. in the 80s, both stevie and DB became megastars as opposed to just stars in music.

*prepares to get shot down*

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Wonder recorded a track with Jackson called 'Get It' around '87 iirc. why was it not a hit? (don't say because it was shit, this is hardly a parameter affecting hit status in any shape or form)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

it just struck me as very strange that two of the most adored male artists of the time would release a duet and it wouldn't be a big hit. that wouldn't happen now would it (regardless of the quality of the song)?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

which in turn has reminded me of the whole bizarreness of Jackson, Madonna and Prince never collaborating - I suppose they (inc. the labels) all feared/resented the inevitable ego clash?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I imagine neither Jackson and Prince would not countenance working with a second-rate hoofer who can't sing

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link

stevie and MJ did two duets, one on the bad album, one on the characters album. i dont know why they werent hits - just good friends wasnt released as a single, i dont know about the other one. MJ was having huge hits at the time, stevie was doing fine, was it definitely a single?

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i bet they both wanted to do her tho (and her them)

xpost

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Big bucks for sure. Jackson was suppose to be working with Kraftwerk at one point?

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Madonna and Prince never collaborating

Check "this is not a love song" off one of madge's albums. Also, she worked with Jackson on a putative (what does that word mean?) umm, track called "in the closet" which was eventually scrapped for a different 'in the closet'

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

'The goddam bitch is mine'

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The real question is surely why hasn't Paul McCartney recorded a crap duet with Madonna to complete the set

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

x-post- prince and madonne made the quite brilliant love song in 1989 on the like a prayer album. prince also supposedly played guitar on the bside act of contribution. prince was meant to duet on bad with MJ but he said he was against singing 'your butt is mine'.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"The goddam toddler is mine"

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

The real question is surely why hasn't Paul McCartney recorded a crap duet with Madonna to complete the set

A cover of 'Lady Madonna', with Lourdes and Rocco on guest vocals.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

With "Parklife" style mockney dialogue by Guy Ritchie

― Serghei Daduismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite why this hasn't happened I cannot fathom.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

because the wrongness quota was already reached with the little rap in 'American Life' and Macca's latest single respectively

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevie Wonder had a considerably bigger duet hit in the late '80s with Julio Iglesias - the gloopy MoR of "My Love." His own commercial status was waning, which was a shame because Characters is an underrated album and something like a return to his old form.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

(bear in mind that this was a period where it was practically illegal to have a number one single in Britain unless you were Kylie or Jason or Jive Bunny)

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Or preferably all three.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

(why did Jive Bunny never do a duet with anyone?)

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

the scag made him hostile and untrusting of others

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you saying Jive Bunny chased the dragon and got smacked?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

well that sort of far-fetched scenario would be enough to drive anyone to heroin wouldn't it

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

You can jive a bunny to smack but you can't make him shoot up.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

In a mildly unrelated thing, I read that Minnie Driver was part of a trio, called "Smoke, Rocks and Brown" i mean, WTF?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The Bruce Springsteen segment was all about how great he was in the 70's and then Henry Rollins saying that he was mass-merch packaged when Born in the USA came out.

And my wife and I both finished Minnie Drvier's sentence for her when she said, "When that album came out, I was so _____." ("young"|"seven")

what a horrible show.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the last half hour. Of course it's a shit programme, it's on Channel 4, a channel that's gone so downmarket that Burberry wouldn't advertise on it.

All this being said, the correct answer is so clearly Prince that it doesn't need thinking about.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Pre-'In The Closet', MJ liked to refer to Madonna as a "heiffer" who couldn't sing and danced okay. He also got rejected by Prince for 2 duets - one sharing vocals on 'We Are The World' and then Bad as mentioned upthread. Apparently, MJ wanted to play an "are they friends or enemies" publicity game with Prince in on it and then releasing the duet song/video (with song-and-dance-offs present). Prince wasn't up for it even when Quincy set up a couple of meetings between them where they just had stare-offs instead.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

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Jo Whiley Broadcaster and Music Fan

Nice that they had one music fan on the list...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish i could be a fan of music enough to be able to declare it as an occupation

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i suppose one should remember that this is called a Hall of Fame and not a Hall Of Talent, Ability or Vision. the latter would make a fantastic TV programme but nobody would vote in or watch it.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

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