"Down In The Tube Station At Midnight" by The Jam - What Does It Mean?

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but there is no tube in Woking?

maybe he was in Dollis Hill, wherethe tube station indeed provides a handy cut through

Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 3 September 2004 07:43 (nineteen years ago) link

**The asnwer was that men were going shopping with the wife's list, having a crafty pork pie, then coming home with all the shopping pretending nothing had happened**

I DO THIS.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 3 September 2004 09:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow!!!

Gerrit, Friday, 3 September 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

He clearly lives far enough out for the train to be overground, and the tube station subway is the only way to cross the rail line

But the song is "Down In the Tube Station at Midnight!" I always pictured it as underground.

mike a, Friday, 3 September 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

can i help you dear?

mmm, lessee... one crafty pork pie please.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

then i'm off home to piss in the sink

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Does nobody else think that a 'plum' is a ticket for the tube?. Don't they have a purplish plum colour?

Also, the first line 'The distant echo - of faraway voices boarding faraway trains', suggests a big station, possibly one with British Rail connections

Joe Kay (feethurt), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

What Lauren said. This is almost my favourite thread ever.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 3 September 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

...Weller is a great songwriter.....one of the best. And this song,(Tubestation)I personally regard as the best he has EVER written...the atmosphere and pictures portrayed are startling....

Gerard Mc Cavana, Friday, 3 September 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Now I understand it!

Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 September 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Now we can all go home.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 3 September 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

No, the tickets are a pale pink colour, unless you buy a weekly one. They're green. Or you get it from a newsagent, tehn it's red and white. No plums.

Anna (Anna), Friday, 3 September 2004 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

My interpretation:

A bloke's in the tube station on his way home(lots of descripton), buys a ticket, gets spotted by thugs, they ask him for money, he gets beat up and they take his keys, the bloke worries because the thugs will get into his house and the bloke's wife will think it's him ("'Cause they took the keys and she'll think it's me."). Now by the time he gets home the wine his wife had pulled the cork on will be flat, and the curry he has will be cold.

Chris W, Friday, 3 September 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The 'plum' is a reference to the rail ticket.

Ferdie, Friday, 3 September 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I love you you crazy bastard.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 3 September 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Christ on a motherfucking crutch, the theorists are at it again with these crazy stories. Somebody with real brains ought to step in and quash all this revisionist history. Don't you loser know that Predator wasn't even FILMED until the 80s?

Le Brain Boy (Slim Pickens), Friday, 3 September 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.portsmouth-tattoo.co.uk/news.html

check out the weller tattoo

pompey lad, Friday, 3 September 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Some fans of bands scare me.

pompey lad, Friday, 3 September 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread has got better in an entirely different way.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 3 September 2004 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

You know it's a little known fact that this song is part of a trilogy. 'Going Underground' describes his trip into the tube station, 'Down in The Tube Station at Midnight' is when he's actually down in the tube station at midnight, and 'Beat Surrender' is about how he got beaten up and surrendered.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

yet another song, "that's entertainment," told the story from the point of view of some bystanders, cheering on the skinheads.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Eat that Le Brain Boy!

Bumfluff, Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Weller even know what it's about? He must be senile by now at his age.

Rancid, Saturday, 4 September 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

He was on Jonathon Ross last night. We agreed he should lose the young person's haircut from 1980. It is not 1980 and he is not young.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 4 September 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

He's not down in the tube station with the kids any more.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 4 September 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

It's all very well debating about the use of microwaves or the reason he was actually in a tubestation (if he was at all) but the real question should be...

Is Weller thick enough to print his adress on his keyring?? How the hell are the muggers going to know where the hell he lives by just stealing his keys?

mahoney, Monday, 6 September 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Well we're not even sure if it is Weller but thats beside the point. Maybe the man had a utility bill in his bag such as gas bill which has an address.

I think this part shows the attack took place close to home because he seems sure that they will know the area well enough to get there without directions

Chris Duffy, Monday, 6 September 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

If they took his money they must have got his wallet, and his address would be on his ID right? Of course this brings up another question- he only bought 1 ticket, and the lyrics refer to thugs in plural, and even if they stole his ticket, there's going to be some thugs without tickets, so maybe he shouldn't worry about them getting into his house if there's only one of them, since his wife has cutlery and stuff to defend herself, or she can smash his head with the wine bottle. But wait, if they stole his money and his ticket, how is he going to get another ticket to get home? It is a mystery.

Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZT!! BZZZZZT!! (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Monday, 6 September 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

He is already at his home station (see shortcut explanation, above, or even if you don't accept it, there's still no reason to think that he's at the departing station, rather than the arriving one).

Perhaps the thugs are local thugs who have seen him around. Perhaps they have a grudge.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 6 September 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

It's sparkiling wine, don't forget - so the bottle will be a solid one. A good weapon.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 6 September 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

sparkling

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 6 September 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

He would not be at his destination if he was buying a ticket.

Plum, because a yellow ticket would be banana but it doesn't scan.

Cheers otherwise.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 06:05 (nineteen years ago) link

He's not buying a ticket.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 07:26 (nineteen years ago) link

This is just a classic thread. I just can't resist being drawn into the fray.

I refer anyone to a station like Bank (there are many others) where you go down into the tube station to cross the junction. They do have said Cadbury's machines (though they normally are jammed) and they are a very good place to go if you are looking for a kicking.

I am surprised in my brief scan of this that noone has mentioned he is very unlikely to be getting a train. Turn of midnight, your kind of pissing in the wind with LU.

___ (___), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 08:00 (nineteen years ago) link

they smelt of pubs and wormwood scrubs

i'll field this one: as the older among us remember, there wasn't much of a premium on male colognes in Britain in the 70s. Brut 33 had to enlist the help of renowned boxer Henry Cooper to give their product the required masculine cache. Several other companies tried to jump on this bandwagon, often with disastrous results. I refer in particular to Estee Lauders' short-lived flirtation with macho chic: the scents 'pubs' and 'wormwood scrubs' were withdrawn from stores in 1979 after catastrophic sales. generally being seen as a sign of downward mobility by consumers, the bouquet of sweat, fear, fermenting fruit and woodbines these colognes gave off never took off in the UK, except in Northern Ireland.

Could Weller have been intimating that his assailants were Irish? republicans, even?

dave amos, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 08:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I always assumed that time's a little screwy in the song - when he sings 'I'm down in the tube station at midnight' he's referring to being down on the floor, beaten up, in the tube station at midnight. The getting the shit kicked out of him happened earlier, but he's so disoriented and his brain running over the experience again, which is why it keeps flipping between past and present tense. He was on his way home with the curry at a normal time, eight maybe, was attacked, and four hours later is still there.

cis (cis), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link

but the fade out he sings "Don't want to go down ittsam" so what do you make of that like?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

And wouldn't somebody have helped him (rung an ambulance say) in the preceding 4 hours?

Joe Kay (feethurt), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, on "Strange Town" he says he's really a spaceman from those UFO's.

Or is that for another thread?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark OTM.

The entire lyric is clearly all slightly paranoid conjecture about what might have happened to him if he had attempted to go home by tube, rather than taking a taxi like any sane person would do if they'd bought a curry and didn't want it to get cold before they got it home to their wife.

He's obviously imagining all this after having comsumed best part of that bottle of wine, hence why so much of it appears not to make sense.

The clearly nonsensical bit about pulling out a plum occurs when he's temporarily distracted from his reveries by the discovery that the pudding that his wife's served up after the curry, is in fact plums and custard when he'd evidently been expecting something different; possibly rhubarb.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

He doesn't want to ever be in another tube station at midnight as it will remind him of being a beaten-up mess, maybe? & no-one would have helped him because THE WORLD IS A CRUEL AND UNCARING PLACE, I imagine.

xpost wait I like Stewart's version.

cis (cis), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 09:56 (nineteen years ago) link

You remember that one where I got Kev from Stump in to explain some point? You think Paul Weller might put in an appearance? you never know.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it may have been a hit, made to look like a routine mugging, I sense underworld connections.

I read to many thrillers

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope the thrillers appreciate you reading to them.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 10:04 (nineteen years ago) link

not as much as the pedants appreciate my typos obviously

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

'Appreciate' is so the right word on this occasion.


mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 10:17 (nineteen years ago) link

It's obvious (to me) that this is set in some future where curries can be had from vending machines.

I put in the money and pull out a plum, Behind me
Whispers in the shadows - gruff blazing voices, Hating, waiting
"Hey boy" they shout - "have you got any money?"
And I said - "I've a little money and a take away curry,

He's not saying "I've a little money and a take-away curry and a plum". Though, with drunken thugs in front of him, he's not going to hide this Fruit&Nut from them and anger them further, is he?
So the "plum" must refer to the curry, that he just took out of the machine. Probably a vegetable curry or it refers to a chutney, whatever. Or it really is just a clever Jack Horner reference.

In any case, it sheds light on why he's down in the tube station: to get the curry. He might live next door, for all we know.

Vasquesz, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

So, "plum" is rhyming slang for a type of curry? Anyone?

___ (___), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I think it really is just a "clever Jack Horner reference"

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

aloo gobum? (the hindi plural of gobi?) a collection of astringent & fiery potato dishes?

there are wheels within wheels in this song

dave amos, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

*punk/post-punk

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 10 August 2022 17:19 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

I spy plums

https://i.imgur.com/4lY2DaB.jpg

Alba, Monday, 27 March 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link

taco laser dick


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