Eno Remasters

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If they fucked '..merges with the night' that would be a shame 'cause its the best song on that record (yeah i know always a hard choice).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

If you already have the Eno CDs, but want the reissues, I'd actually pick these up in reverse chronological order (excepting the possibly fucked up Another Green World), as the remasters make the most difference on the later albums. Before And After Science sounds quite improved with the reissue, whereas Here Come The Warm Jets sounds slightly better.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

have a look here for more info and plenty of overwrought Paul Morley commentary:

http://www.astralwerks.com/eno/reissue.html

rh, Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Becalmed" was on Another Green World. Nerve Net is not uninteresting. And I love overwrought Paul Morley commentary.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

whoops! sorry about that. it's not even my favorite eno instrumental now that i think of it.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 June 2004 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Before And After Science for beginners, AGW for the initiated.

"Becalmed" is my favorite on AGW.

"Kings Lead Hat" is not dumb. It is a perfect pop song.

But like kjoerup I'm tired of reissues. I'd much rather spend my time learning about and chasing down things that are new to me. And one wonders...will these things just get released again in 10 or 20 years when technology is even better? And will we still buy them?

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 3 June 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

rosalie, i've been waiting all evening
possibly inside your nose

Yeah. Like, that's what he's really singing...

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, it's Eno, that might well be what he's singing

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link

As I said somewhere else on ILx, I'm not sure that Warm Jets benefits from being "cleaned up"; I prefer it all fuzzy and indistinct.

I'm not tired of reissues. If it's a choice between Here Come The Warm Jets (in whatever sonic state) and the Junior Boys, then I'm happy to be content with "old" things.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"All of them are old, none of them are new
Some of them will turn up when you least expect them to"

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never listened much to Eno, but really like Here come the warm jets as a single (only heard it on some DJ mix thing). Am I going to be disappointed if I buy this remastered album then?

chris (chris), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the previous CD issues, and sonically they don't seem too bad to me. How much better are the new versions? Have they been sonic-maximised?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Morley marvellously on these: http://www.astralwerks.com/eno/albums.html

Sorry if you've already seen this.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link

a master at work and at play.

petridish reviewing the four eno reissues:
"Throughout pop history bands and artists have insisted on making arty records with no tunes, as opposed to what people want to hear... (introduction drones on for another 500 words, namechecking Kid A, Faust Tapes and Metal Machine Music) ...and there are pop stars who can't play any instruments (crawls on for another 500 words, namechecking Sid Vicious, Bez and Lena Zavaroni before saying that Eno's solo albums aren't worth bothering with because all classical music sounds the same)"

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely you jest or surely he jests?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

...finishing by saying that Bryan Ferry will always be better than Eno because Eno could never write a decent tune like Let's Stick Together or marry Jerry Hall.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Eno had Julie Christie who would want a horse-faced Texan after that?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

whereupon petridish would say that julie christie only ever turns up in arty-farty films rather than films people actually want to watch, e.g. martine mccutcheon.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha. Bloody "Billy Liar", elitist rubbish!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite, Dadaismus. ;)

Unbelievable comments from this Petridis... it's not music writing, I'm afraid, of any kind I would acknowledge.

One would have thought that these Eno albums would have been good enough on t' tune front - it's great, displaced pop music - for such Luddites, yet clearly he's not listened to them at all. Or is playing up to some sort of image; sounds a rehash of his PJ Harvey 'thoughts'.

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry tom, it was just me guessing at what petridish would write.

in reality he'd probably give the grauniad review to someone like adam sweeting to write 100 words of nothing about.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Oooooooooh you little liar!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

One does sense that he might file these records away as 'difficult' though... Anyone attacking Faust, Captain Beefheart, Sun Ra et al clearly wants his sounds straightforward, which all these Enos certainly aren't. He's hardly going to take to the use of the Portsmouth Sinfonia, eh...?
What sort of music does this writer actually like...? Sounds Hornbyite. I admit I have not read a great number of his reviews, but then I've never really taken the Guardian as too good on music. I suppose they have had Morley writing on occasion, and a few of those pieces were as amusing as he is wont to be.

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW, as it's just about my favourite 'pop-period Eno', mood-wise at least.

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Amen.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 06:03 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Shit, I just bought "More Music From Films" the other day--should I open it?

John 2, Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

if you wish to play it in your CD player, then yes.

latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Bits sound as if they are excerpts from the 2-track group jams that Eno put together for 'Another Green World'; but these are the sections he never finished or overdubbed further -- so it's a CD of the tape fading up for 45-60 seconds worth, then down again. Definitely does not flow like an album.

Some 'ANG' tracks appear in slightly different versions. Some of the tracks are barely distinguishable 'alternate' mixes of pieces from 'Music For Films' volume I, the last few tracks are rough versions of the drones from 'Apollo'. Incredibly annoying liner notes, 43 minutes long.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, sorry. I was refering to the batch that we messed up--similar to 'green world'---as heard here in the top review:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007GFFVG/qid=1112633362/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-0855610-6327942?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

John 2, Monday, 4 April 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
How significant is the increase in sound quality on these reissues? Now that these new versions are out, loads of the original issues are being traded in and can be found cheap and readily.

$15 new version or $10 used old version?

Or are there some albums that are worth getting the reissues of, and some that are not? Hopefully someone with a keen ear can lend some advice.

JBC (flamingrev), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Some stores have been selling the reissues new for $10.. so I've just been diving in on those deals, and selling the old ones back (although at this point, there's no more old Eno CDs for me to sell back.. although I have to check to see if my AGW CD has that fuckup on "Everything Merges With The Night")

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as sound quality goes, I think the new ones certainly sound better.. the greatest sound quality improvement has been on Before And After Science, if I had to choose one. But I think Music For Films sounds significantly better too..

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, on Here Come The Warm Jets, the original CD issue had some fuckups on "Blank Frank". It sounds like the master tapes were catching on something earlier in the song for brief moments, which added a neat effect, but was distracting. I believe they are gone now on the reissues.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, you're telling me that "Blank Frank" momentary slow-down thing isn't intentional? The music stays in time and on beat! That's my favorite part of the song! It sounds like it's playing on a record and someone spun it back a measure. Say it ain't so!

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd have to listen again.. there are two specific moments.. there's one at the beginning, and one later that happens on the sound of a tom drum. The latter is the one that sounds coolest.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

he's not talking about the part of the song where everything slows down (xpost)

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Eno would appreciate this debate.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

It doesn't really slow down, I didn't really explain it right. I'm talking about the part at beginning of the song, in the first line "Blank Frank is the messenger of your doom and your destruction." While the word "destruction" is being stretched out, there's a part where it "hiccups" (for lack of a better word) but stays on beat, like a record or reel-to-reel tape being spun back really fast, and it's awesome. So that was an accident?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that was an accident. I'd have to relisten on the remasters. If it's not on the remasters, it was a mistake.

It happens again, later on but on the sound of the tom drum.

So, yeah, Nick and I are talking about the same thing. It's not a full tempo slowdown, it's a hiccup, not unlike accidentally pressing down on a spinning record for a split second, or -- more likely in this case -- a reel-to-reel tape where some splicing tape got caught on something while whirling around.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Which makes it a pretty cool accident, because it seems like a very "Eno" thing to do, like something he'd do on purpose. Has anyone else seen that footage of Roxy Music doing "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" on German TV and during the big solo at the end, Eno's messing with like four big reel-to-reel tape machines set up on stage behind him? It's the coolest.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

where would i see that??

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, that DVD of the German TV appearances is awesome! It actually made me appreciate the Bryan Ferry a lot more. I can't believe that the vocal effect on Blank Frank was an accident though. If so, I'm definitely keeping my old CD because that's one of the best parts.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got that DVD, am., I can show it to you the next time you're over.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the link to the DVD, I just bought one

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I should have said that the one Sarah got me has a different cover and was like super-el-cheapo. But maybe it's not the full version or something. There are about 5 T-Rex songs and 5 RM songs.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

this reminds me of when i downloaded a luomo mp3 that had an error in it, it sort of jump-cutted to a different part of the song. i always thought it was the neatest effect, almost "cinematic" (bleah), but then i found out 2 years later it was an encoding error or something!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

These jewel case Eno CDs I imagine are the same remasters? Anyone found them or or the digipaks going cheap anywhere>

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Yup, the jewel case CD's are the same. I managed to grab a couple of them for £7 in Fopp recently. Amazon had the whole bunch for around the same price the last time I checked.

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Go for the jexel cases if you can, the plastic sleeve surround on the digipaks is so tight it's practically impossible to extract thge digipaks without fucking them up slightly.

double shyamalan (MaresNest), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, thata a fair point. Those plastic sleeve's are murder!

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link

^best^ music, I meant. So I’m looking forward to the new tracks!

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:48 (four years ago) link

Roger’s second record, Between Tides, is exceptional. Apollo is maybe a bit overrated but I’m looming forward to this.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 May 2019 20:39 (four years ago) link


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