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I find "Heroin House" to be a lot less misleading than "Minimal Dub", which a) as stylistic description always struck me as clutching at straws slightly, and b) is only really accurate about half the time. That said, no term is going to easily fit such a consciously inarticulate/inarticulable style of music.

Tim, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

1. Bubblegum - Late 60's to early 70's: all the Kasenetz-Katz stuff, Archies, Boyce & Hart, Andy Kim , etc.(C,O,S) 2. Glam Bubblegum (basically the chinnichap stuff): The Sweet, Suzi Quatro, Mud, Bay City Rollers kind of... (S) 3. Mod Revival - 1978-1980 or so: The Jam (obviosuly), Chords, Lambrettas, Secret Affair, etc. (O) 4. 60's softpop: Claudine Longet, The Sandpipers, The Association, I guess the Free Design fit in here, etc. (C,O) 5. The current spate of retro new-wave/casio indiepop: Shelflife Records, Matinee Records, March Records, Darla, Drive-In, BBPTC, etc. I can't remember all the band names, but it doesn't matter too much...(O,S) 6. El Records of course (C)

TC, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

sorry for not using HTML tags...

g, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven months pass...
Ha! I bought my first BC/CR/etc. tin last year when I was out looking for wagons to hop onto! Since then I've even accumulated a few more. The *thought* of someone buying a Maurizio tin in 200fucking2 is incredible, huh? Well, as the Detroiters say, I've gotta know my history...

Clarke B., Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

seeing this thread in new answers made me think of a few more. everyone else pleez add too, as i find this thread fascinating (except the c.r. debate):

ohio-proto-punk, 1968-78: inspired by mark s' posting the "those were diff'rent times" essay-link to nylpm. starting with the velvets residency in 68, running through the tombs, electric eels "cyclotron/agitated" 7", etc., and probably climaxing with early ubu (around, say, dub housing.) (O, but also especially C.)
early 90s political hardcore/proto-emo, 1988-1994: the hated, anything tonie joy was involved in (moss icon, universal order of armageddon), gravity records (clikitat ikatowi, antioch arrow), born against, rorschach, man is the bastard, los crudos (and satellite units like huggy bear, unwound, nation of ulysses.) (S, but especially C. i can't bear to listen to many of these records now.)

jess, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

eleven months pass...
revive! i still really like this thread.

1. lost generation/post-rock (UK division) - C,O
2. UK garage 1997-2001 - C,O
3. hardcore/jungle/d&b 1990-1997 - C,O
4. post-punk blah blah - c,o
5. metal - o,s

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 24 April 2003 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

I like this thread, too. Here are my highly opinionated five.

1. Early Britpop, before Coldplay broke out; in other words, back when it was still under the heavy influence of David Bowie instead of Radiohead. Not like there's anything wrong with Radiohead, but there is something wrong with Chris Martin, the wanker.

Pulp, Suede, Manic Street Preachers. (C,O)

2. Trip-hop, before people started calling it "downtempo", and it became too attached to lite-house frippery, and lost all sense of texture beyond fluffy lounge compilation fodder.

Massive Attack, Portishead, Tricky. (C,0)

3. Shoegaze; I don't know quite enough about all of the bands in this genre to make categorical determinations, BUT what I've heard, I love.

Ride, Slowdive, My Bloody Valentine. (C,O)

4. Synth pop, the 80s leg, not the current and dubious revival, but the dark, depthful stuff that I got teased in high school for listening to. In other words, I'm not altogether interested in whatever they're doing in Brooklyn right now.

New Order, Depeche Mode, Gary Numan. (C,O)

5. Bleak and cerebral post-punk of the late 70s/early 80s variety. White-boy music that makes you want to shake your ass and cower in an airtight fallout shelter. Simultaneously. While wearing a denim jacket with Che Guevara pins on it.

Cabaret Voltaire, Gang of Four, Shriekback. (C, 0)

justin s., Thursday, 24 April 2003 05:19 (twenty years ago) link

Merseybeat/British Beat 63-66
Symphonic Rock (not prog in general - just symphonic rock) 70-77
New Romantics heyday 81-84
"Twee" English psychedelia 67-68
Britpop 93-97

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:00 (twenty years ago) link

All of my choices, btw, are O while I couldn't care less about the other criteria.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

1) lox-style generic generic thug mcs and crews (1997-current) (c,o, s)
2) m and f vocals gloopy rnb/teen pop (1998-current) (c, o)
3) overproduced nu metal and especially 'rap' rock, synthy, preferably with beats (1997-current) (c,o)
4) sparkly build-y pop-house anthems (some crossover with number two if you count remixes!!) (1985-current) (o)
5) the beatnuts (1992-1999) (o, s)


trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

haha the nuts wanted so bad to get into the first category but never broke through!!

trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:32 (twenty years ago) link

6) mid 80s 'romo' synth pop (1979-1990) (o, s)
7) exxxtreme gabba (1996-2001) (c, o, s)
8) disco (1969-1983) (c, o)
9) mtv crossover big beat (1996-2000) (o)
10) emotionally manipulative idm (1991-2002) (s)

trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:36 (twenty years ago) link

11) 2step/mc garage (2000-current) (c,o,s)
12) typical early 90s hiphop bullshit (1989-1994) (o,s)
13) cratedigger skewed 60s70s sunny jazz/funk/soul (1965-1980) (o,s)
14) e6 (1995-2000) (biggest and most conditional fuckin SO SUE ME ever)
15) pop-dancehall (1995-current)

trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:44 (twenty years ago) link

that last one is (c,o) of course

trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:45 (twenty years ago) link

1. Pop (80s onwards) (CO)
2. Punk 'n' No Wave ( mostly US - 70s)(CO)
3. Northern Soul (hah!)(S)
4.Indie po(o)p'n'rawk (80s-90s)(CO)
5.Trip Hop (90s)(CO)

nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:51 (twenty years ago) link

haha right on nath ok mine is now just

1) pop (1300-current) (c,o,s)

trife (simon_tr), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:54 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, I should have just said: 1. Crap music (S)

nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 24 April 2003 07:56 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm surprised I don't remember ever seeing this thread before.

RS, Thursday, 13 January 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Late 80's/early 90's (?) Kuwaiti pop with male vocalists singing in falseto. (S)

RS, Thursday, 13 January 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

1. 40's and 50's Kansas City. C and O and Big Joe Turner and pretty much every Rock and Roller at the time.
2. '77 - '84 Athens Georgia. COS Any scene that could produce the first b52's record, Pylon, Oh OK and Chronic Town is Ok by me even if the concept is enh. But American influenced dance punk is a good concept.
3. Australia. O.
4.60's Stax. CO
5 Late 60's early 70's Band-Dylan-Upstate NY. CO They sound like the Catskills.

danh (danh), Thursday, 13 January 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link


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