Tina Turner - Classic or Dud?

come on you sons of bitchez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJGoNeM3WzY

Even fucking Iggy Pop couldn't do better than that you better kick your sexist ass out of town

PRIVATE DANCER

Dud. totally ruined Let's Stay Together.

Classic! What the fuck? So many haters! I seriously need to buy that Private Dancer album.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:18 PM (8 years ago) Bookmark

good Lord, miccio is 1,000% OTM here, overriding even the otherwise unimpeachable alex in nyc. (the rest of her solo stuff, except for the "thunderdome" song, is admittedly meh.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC41K6lL6GY

Classic for Thunderdome. Keep only what's necessary to make her performance in Thunderdome possible. Private Dancer, too. Also classic for Ike's line, "I'm only doin this cuz I love you, baby."

(i should've been more clear ... the private dancer album and the "thunderdome" song are absolute classics from her solo career; what came AFTER that, though, is kinda meh. obv. the stuff with Ike and some of the solo stuff before private dancer is also totally classic.)

Two Tina thread revivals! You're excited!

I love Break Every Rule's "Typical Male" and "What You Get is What You See."

Tina rulez. saw her last year and she's still got it. plus she had a huge Thunderdome set for just the one track. so OTT!

Only found out recently that she did a cover of Robert Palmer's great "Johnny and Mary" (buried on the soundtrack to the film Summer Lovers), and it may be my favourite version of the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiOKwxQ3Yk

wow

i thought this bump would be related to the kygo thing :( he really needs to stop

Upcoming documentary

https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/tina

Tina rulez. saw her last year and she's still got it. plus she had a huge Thunderdome set for just the one track. so OTT!

― I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:08 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I still haven't seen the movie, but I've been obsessed with this song lately and this just adds to that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuO_8VlYAfk

first episode of the doc is great

the way it starts, with her explaining she didn’t want there to be a story of her life because “it wasn’t a good life” is a punch to the gut.

What you get is what you see!

oh man. i watched the whole thing. it’s devastating.

At least she has found some happiness and satisfaction late in life

i cried so much

really beautifully done, its so powerful hearing her story in her voice

i am sad to say goodbye to her but love that she is doing it, she has given so much of herself

i don't think it's a first episode, is it? wasn't that the whole thing? It was good.

look at all these bad takes at the start of this thread

It was the whole thing; I was confused.

At least she has found some happiness and satisfaction late in life

― curmudgeon, Sunday, March 28, 2021 10:33 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this is true, but i think what i valued so much about the doc (and what broke my heart) is how honest she was about how hard her life post-Ike was...saying that the good in her life didn't necessarily outweigh the bad. it refused to be a triumphant resilience story, even though, of course, she's a survivor and has accomplished amazing things. and so much of the footage of her, either being interviewed alongside Ike or alone afterward, bore witness to her tortured feelings about their relationship. the most chilling footage was where she would just go kind of blank and withdraw into herself. i really appreciate how the doc refused to gloss over the long-term toll Ike's abuse took.

i think it's amazing that she succeeded in becoming a huge star in a different musical mode than R&B, as she wanted to, but it felt melancholy to me that all the amazing footage of her dancing and singing while she was with Ike must feel so fraught and tainted to her--those performances are so amazing! but he shaped them and even gave her her name!

i also didn't know about her mother and father. it's just such a sad story.

I had no idea she was having so many health problems:

"Like all documentaries produced with the cooperation of its subject, there are blind spots in Tina. Now age 81, Turner has struggled with health problems. She had a stroke in 2013, was diagnosed with intestinal cancer in 2016 and had a kidney transplant – donated by [her husband Erwin] Bach – in 2017. But none of that is mentioned in the film."

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/27/979683306/tina-turners-life-explored-in-new-documentary

I had forgotten that Bucks Fizz were the first to record What's Love Got To Do With It.

I had no idea either, but this explains it:

It was intended for possible inclusion on their next album I Hear Talk but was shelved when Turner released her version first. The Bucks Fizz version went unreleased until it was included on a re-issue of their Are You Ready album in 2000.

also:

The song was written by Terry Britten and Graham Lyle, who originally offered it to Cliff Richard, but it was rejected. It was then given to Phyllis Hyman, who wanted to do the song, but Arista Records head Clive Davis would not allow her. The song then was offered to Donna Summer, who has stated she sat with it for a couple of years but never recorded it.

Donna Summer, who has stated she sat with it for a couple of *years* but never recorded it.

the Bucks Fizz version they showed in the tina doc was so LOL, i had no idea about that at all

i loved the detail about her working w Phil Spector - the instruction to “sing it how SHE would sing it” blew her mind

and similarly w What’s Love, the producer just says sing it how you would sing it & she feels so free doing that

it kinda breaks my heart but makes me see her solo stage presence so differently, like that joy was 100% real & she was living her best life singing everything her way

never really occurred to me before how grim the irony is that in 1966 her respite from the abusive controlling belittling behavior of ike was working with... phil spector

yeah that was not lost on me either :/

River Deep, Mountain High is my least favorite thing that Tina Turner ever did. And I love so much of her work, my mom and dad were the hugest fans, just not with Phil Spector.

I don't trust a song that uses the word "puppy" in the lyrics.

it's her only masterpiece sorry. and I usually don't care for Spector.

it's her only masterpiece sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0GVixJvt-g

I guess I'll be the first to speak up and say I love a lot of Spector's records (if not the asshole himself), I love Tina Turner and I love "River Deep, Mountain High."

I will say it's the only memorable record they made, partly because they didn't do much, just barely enough to fill one LP side.

Sky have just reported Tina has died aged 83

Sadly yes

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/may/24/tina-turner-legendary-rocknroll-singer-dies-aged-83

Just heard, damn it.

saw her about 10 years back, still incredible. had a big thunderdome stageset for just the one song, on the other hand also did a stripped back mini set of r&b stuff. wonderful evening and very glad to have caught it.

One of the few people I thought immortal.

My god:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9Um8T88KM

Whenever the deep cuts station here busts out some of her primal stuff it just knocks me back in my seat.

RIP.

Mick Jagger's dance moves are pouring one out for her right now.

Queen.

Man, there were some dire "opinions" being expressed upthread years ago. Sad.

RIP Tina.

yeah, this one hits hard.

one of those few times when the cover version is better than the original.

r.i.p. tina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xAXkmo-HTI

Bob clearly thought her voice was gone back on Nutbush City Limits in 1973. As with all things Xgau, there's at least a hint of misogyny in his praise of female artists, ogling her legs, alluding to her submissiveness to Ike, the music industry, etc. But he was indeed a big fan.

Her vocal on Herbie Hancock's 2007 cover of Joni Mitchell's "Edith & The Kingpin" is quite something: a side to her that I hadn't heard before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDIJjYhQRo

^^A big discovery for me from the Sirius/xM playlist.