Search & Destroy: John Coltrane

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for the "far out free jazz" type stuff, just look for anything from 1964 to 1967 (the year he died)

my favorites are a love supreme, one down one up (recently released live recording with a long insane title track solo), interstellar space, stellar regions (this one was unreleased until the 90s or something, it's awesome), and live in japan (4 cd set with intense long ass songs).

bstep, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

hate when ppl say blue train is 'boring'

deej, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:39 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the solo on blue train is awesome

bstep, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

more like BLUE LAME

Jordan, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

j/k

Jordan, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

I did get that "Live In Japan" box -- quite an interesting, disjointed group that came up with some pretty corrosive passages. xp

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 August 2007 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

Is there somebody speaking in tongues during Tyner's solo on "My Favorite Things" from New Thing at Newport??

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 March 2008 05:29 (eleven years ago) link

What the hell is that? Thought it was bowed bass, but you can hear pizz clearly. Is it maybe Trane just puttering? I really can't tell.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 March 2008 05:30 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that is 'Trane doing his basso profundo incantating.

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 3 March 2008 08:58 (eleven years ago) link

heheh "Search And Destroy John Coltrane" sounds like the heading to a Philip Larkin jazz review!

Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 3 March 2008 08:59 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

any AWESOME books I should read about Coltrane?

rizzx, Thursday, 10 April 2008 12:52 (eleven years ago) link

Not yet read it myself, but this is meant to be v. gd and is likely the easiest to find:

Coltrane

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 10 April 2008 13:02 (eleven years ago) link

Africa/Brass (shite Greensleeves is on it, but...

omar u crazy! it's a beautiful start to A/B, if a weird choice.

andrew m., Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

...he tells omar 6 years later

andrew m., Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

Is there somebody speaking in tongues during Tyner's solo on "My Favorite Things" from New Thing at Newport??

I've found that usually muttering that sounds like "speaking in tongues" on live jazz recordings is the sound of the pianist or drummer vocalizing as they play, and the close proximity of the mics picking it up. Not having heard that piece in a while, I suspect that it's Tyner. You can hear Bud Powell, and countless other pianists doing the same thing. I'd posit that there's nothing particularly spiritual or mystical about it.

Usual Channels, Thursday, 10 April 2008 14:40 (eleven years ago) link

i always thought the muttering was elvin jones, though now that you mention it, i'm not sure why i assumed that ... but uhhh yeah, that Coltrane book by Ratliff is pretty solid. Not the same ol same ol Coltrane is God kinda stuff, but a fresh ears approach.

tylerw, Thursday, 10 April 2008 15:14 (eleven years ago) link

Is there somebody speaking in tongues during Tyner's solo on "My Favorite Things" from New Thing at Newport??

I haven't heard the recording in question, but as someone who was forced to go to Pentecostal church for 17 years, does it sound like "SHA la la la la la Fie sha lala, sha lie COM la la la la la, fie sha la la com lie"? Because that's what speaking in tongues sounds like.

Z S, Thursday, 10 April 2008 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

meditations WOW! nothing else to say, just have the feeling this is becoming my favorite album

sonderangerbot, Friday, 5 March 2010 19:51 (nine years ago) link

yeah, Meditations. I put it on one Sunday morning, knowing little about Coltrane; halfway through the first song I was screaming and in tears (in an awesome way, if that makes any sense)---was happy no one else was around.

begs the question, when is enough enough (Euler), Friday, 5 March 2010 19:53 (nine years ago) link

lol that makes perfect sense actually and would probably be a compliment to all of these guys except elvin jones who i understand didn't care for this thing at all. luckily you can't tell

sonderangerbot, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:41 (nine years ago) link

whenever this thread opens and I see "Blue Train...boring as fuck" I'm like whaaaaa? I understand that it has a weird, maybe slightly overrated status being Coltrane's only Blue Note record, but uhhh, that record is not boring!

tylerw, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:47 (nine years ago) link

but, i can see how someone whose fave bands are Beefheart and the Stooges maybe not being a fan. i think it's one of the best "late-night" listens i own

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Friday, 5 March 2010 22:45 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

The "Crescent" on disk 2 of Live In Japan, from 1966, is incredible! Alice's piano interlude achieves liftoff without losing the groove.

Euler, Friday, 9 July 2010 08:57 (nine years ago) link

Can't believe no-one has mentioned Olé in this thread

bham, Friday, 9 July 2010 09:30 (nine years ago) link

I can't imagine any Beefheart fan not appreciating Coltrane. Beefheart certainly did, though he was quoted most referring to Coleman and Ayler.

After A Love Supreme:

My Favorite Things (Atlantic) 60
Crescent (Impulse) 64
Meditations (Impulse) 65
First Meditations (For Quartet) (Impulse) 65
Transition (Impulse) 65
Giant Steps (Atlantic) 59
The John Coltrane Quartet Plays (Impulse) 65
Ole Coltrane (Atlantic) 61
Coltrane Plays The Blues (Atlantic) 60
Coltrane (Impulse) 62
Sun Ship (Impulse) 65
Ballads (Impulse) 61
Africa/Brass (Impulse) 61
John Coltrane With Johnny Hartman (Impulse) 63
Impressions (Impulse) 63
Coltrane Live At Birdland (Impulse) 63
Live At The Village Vanguard (Impulse) 61
Newport '63 (Impulse!) 63
The Avant-Garde (Atlantic) 60
Blue Train (Blue Note) 57
Coltrane's Sound (Atlantic) 60
Coltrane Jazz (Atlantic) 59
Soultrane (OJC/Prestige) 58
Black Pearls (OJC/Fantasy) 58
Duke Ellington and John Coltrane (Impulse) 62

Destroy: nothing

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 9 July 2010 13:43 (nine years ago) link

yeah, Meditations. I put it on one Sunday morning, knowing little about Coltrane; halfway through the first song I was screaming and in tears (in an awesome way, if that makes any sense)---was happy no one else was around.

― begs the question, when is enough enough (Euler), Friday, 5 March 2010 19:53 (4 months ago)

whoa

surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 July 2010 13:52 (nine years ago) link

yeah, Meditations. I put it on one Sunday morning, knowing little about Coltrane; halfway through the first song I was screaming and in tears

Stubbed your toe on the way back from the CD player?

Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2010 13:54 (nine years ago) link

i haven't made it to those later-period live recordings (like LIve in Japan) yet ... the recording quality is good? is it radio broadcasts or something?

tylerw, Friday, 9 July 2010 14:55 (nine years ago) link

Live In Japan quality is v. good

Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 July 2010 14:56 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

meditations is basically the best record ever made by humans on earth

FRIDGED WAG MANPAIN syndrome (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 09:17 (nine years ago) link

that said, the vastly underrated "stellar regions" is probably my favorite in the realm of ~coltrane records~ vs. whatever pantheonical land meditations inhabits

FRIDGED WAG MANPAIN syndrome (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 09:20 (nine years ago) link

was checking out a new collected Coltrane interviews thing in the bookstore this week. amazing how chill the guy was, considering some of the music he made. seems almost ridiculously down to earth.

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 14:32 (nine years ago) link

I like "First Meditations" a lot

tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 14:33 (nine years ago) link

Recent favorites are Ole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hN5JpIG0B0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIOgLp5rlU

and Alabama (this is live version but you get the point):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j_TDoOPnIA

matt2, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 14:48 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Does anyone have the Prestige Box Sets - Fearless Leader, Interplay or Side Steps? Worth picking up?

Jim, Sunday, 7 November 2010 00:26 (nine years ago) link

i have 'em. some great stuff, also some very so-so, under-rehearsed blowing session-type stuff. I'd say Fearless Leader is the best of the lot.

tylerw, Sunday, 7 November 2010 01:15 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I have all three, too. I agree that Fearless Leader is the best one, but each has plenty to recommend it. I find myself listening to '50s Coltrane more often than '60s Coltrane these days; sometimes you just want to hear a dude with incredible talent playing melodic, easily-understood and -enjoyed music rather than listening to that same incredibly talented dude Brillo-ing his soul in front of you.

that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 7 November 2010 14:18 (nine years ago) link

yeah, true. one essential thing that's included on Interplay is the Kenny Burrell collab album. Great from start to finish.

tylerw, Sunday, 7 November 2010 14:29 (nine years ago) link

Love the Coltrane/Burrell record. Otherwise I agree his Prestige work was inconsistent but has some great moments. A couple of tracks that come to mind are Good Bait and Goldsboro Express.

Kinect: The Body Is Good Business™ (Hurting 2), Sunday, 7 November 2010 17:25 (nine years ago) link

Wow. How did I never hear Olé before? It's brilliant.

Veðrafjǫrðr heimamaður (ecuador_with_a_c), Sunday, 7 November 2010 22:33 (nine years ago) link

All the Atlantic stuff is top notch. Used to own the Complete Prestige set but sold it because it was never getting played. It wasn't bad, just nothing compared to the Atlantic and Impulse stuff.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 8 November 2010 00:51 (nine years ago) link

Wow. How did I never hear Olé before? It's brilliant.

I know, right?

Lostandfound, Monday, 8 November 2010 01:25 (nine years ago) link

meditations is basically the best record ever made by humans on earth

Yes.
yes, it is.

sonofstan, Sunday, 14 November 2010 21:00 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

Kind of ashamed I never got around to some of the later material until recently. Sun Ship and Interstellar Space are so incredible.

The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:12 (eight years ago) link

eh, no reason to be ashamed. i'm holding off on the later stuff, just because i'm scared of not having any more coltrane albums to discover!

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:27 (eight years ago) link

Giant Steps still rules and is a permanent feature on my mp3 player. Need to get my hands on Olé and the Kenny Burrell collab. What's so great about the latter?

sam500, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 02:41 (eight years ago) link

latter is great just to hear coltrane in a different context -- pretty much the only time he really played with a guitarist, i think? some of it is straightforward late 50s hard bop, but really good straightforward late 50s hard bop. highlight is the coltrane/burrell duet on "why was i born" which is insanely pretty.

tylerw, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:03 (eight years ago) link

I listened to Bags & Trane for the first time tonight.... what an unrelenting set of performances. It's like they are trying to top each other with every new solo.

have never really given the ascension and later period a chance but it's on the list.

skip, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:09 (eight years ago) link

I remember always hearing about how Tyner and Jones didn't like the direction Coltrane was going in toward the end, and there's all this tension in the late quartet recordings that I think actually makes for amazing music. I wonder if there's something to that -- Money Jungle has a similar sense of tension and struggle. I also remember hearing about how Keith Jarrett hated playing the Rhodes in the beginning, and he sounds so great on it on Miles records.

The Corner Stander, The Suggest Ban Hammer (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:16 (eight years ago) link

latter is great just to hear coltrane in a different context -- pretty much the only time he really played with a guitarist, i think?
― tylerw

excellent will have to check. totally into my jazz guitarists at the mo, particularly sonny sharrock on the herbie mann album and john mclaughlin on the jack johnson sessions.

sam500, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:11 (eight years ago) link

I liked it (bought the 2CD version), but I didn't love it. This one hits my personal sweet spot better, both because of the mono sound and because all the tunes are basically blues riffs.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:57 (two months ago) link

I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HEAR THIS

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 22 August 2019 00:27 (two months ago) link

I'm confused, isn't "Blue World" just a slower take of Out of this World?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 22 August 2019 03:27 (two months ago) link


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