Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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my prediction least year was indeed, rub.

chris (chris), Monday, 9 September 2002 08:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Merseyside derby approaching... and when were the two clubs last as closely matched as this?

It's up for grabs now!

the pinefox, Monday, 25 November 2002 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

PF, the derby is always up for grabs. The pre-match media hype will of course concern Rooney, Rooney, Rooney whereas Owen will get a hat-trick.

Why haven't you been so keen on the greatest football club in the world since May 1989 then?

Venga, Monday, 25 November 2002 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

*There's an argument that says that the Auld Firm buy up all middling-good-to-great players of the lower SPL teams thereby helping to suppress competition and maintain the monstrous gap. Meanwhile they don't play the players. So they just take them away for spite/utility. Poss. then that the SPL would become a better league if the Auld Firm went south.

The league has improved quite a lot over the last two years though. I'm impressed.

Some people say that this is the last year before Celtic will need a major overhaul; this team is on its way out. I say that the team is over-staying by one year and that the re-jig should have occurred before 2002-3. In the summer lull. Thomson out, he's as much a chimera as Craig Burley (the Celtic edition), Sylla out (another example of * above), so many other people. Leaving the backbone: Larsson, Sutton, Hartson, Hedman, Mjallby, Lambert/Lennon axis. Build around that, with an eye to getting rid of one of the 2Ls.

- dwh.

dwh (dwh), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Liked Bill Kenwright's line about changing the name of the Blues' website to WWWWWW.everton.com. And let's please have no more debate about who's going to replace David Seaman as England's #1. Ferchrissakes, how many clean sheets do you want?

I'm loving this little run, obv - but I expect it to end at Newcastle. I do genuinely expect us to be ahead of the red filth by the time The Golden Child signs that contract though. Of course, we'll start to slide in the spring - of course, we'll be mediocre again when the injuries come. But this is a far more impressive core EFC team than the one Royle took to Wembley and the top six in the mid-90s, or the free-scoring Campbell/Jeffers-led side that fancied a stab at a UEFA place for two-thirds of 99-00. Things have changed. Out of the Dark Ages at last.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 25 November 2002 23:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

And let's please have no more debate about who's going to replace David Seaman as England's #1.

CHRIS KIRKLAND. HAHA!

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 10:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

CHRIS KIRKLAND. HAHA!

Ooh, he might even get a game for his club now Jerzy Nolongerclassicek is flailing a bit.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

jerzy's still the man.

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Out of the Dark Ages at last.

False dawn!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 19:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
hoo hoo

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 16 December 2002 03:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I fear the derby now. Liverpool's appalling run surely can't go much further. They may very soon Bounce Back. In an ideal world, they'll be out of both domestic cups and 10pts off the title pace in a month's time, but I know I'm hoping for too much.

Losing to Sunderland though, sheesh.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 16 December 2002 07:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Im enjoying Pool's bad run, but I think it will end with the Merseyside Derby. I think it will be the point where Liverpool AND Everton's seasons start to go in opposite directions, sadly. In fairness to Pool, they're not far off the pace, points-wise. Even Arsenal have lost four already, and I reckon the Gunners will end up winning the Premiership. But that's another story.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 16 December 2002 09:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

You could be right - at the moment, suspensions are far more of a worry to EFC's shallow squad than injuries, but they will come and losing Yobo, Gravesen, Radzinski, TheGoldenChild et al for any length of time will see us slide. I don't see us in the bottom half at any point, though.

I don't know quite what to make of the Liverpool slump - previous winter blips have always carried an air of inevitability about them, as if LFC were riding their luck a little to be where they were, and a rough patch balanced things up. This season, Liverpool could (and should) have won their opening 12 league games and yet now seem utterly bereft of ideas - the swing seems more extreme than before. Alan Green is not a man to be trusted, but he was scathing about both teams on R5 yesterday.

So, on the one hand, Liverpool seem ripe for the picking by an organised, fluent Everton side full of confidence. On the other, they're, erm, spawny gets who might not lose again until March.

I dunno. I plan to go on a long walk next Sunday.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 16 December 2002 12:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

What... to Anfield?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 December 2002 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Revival time...

Final whistle goes at Anfield in a match described by the BBC as "tedious". Of course, I was a great big knotty bundle of scrunched-up bags of entangled nerves, so no trip to a Sky-sporting pub or earphones blaring R5 for me... contented myself with housework, a couple of Sea and Cake LPs and the 'live text' updates on the Beeb's website.

Seemed like LFC edged it, Rooney hit the bar and there were a flurry of nasty tackles and yellow cards at the end.

Thank God that's over. Merry Xmas everybody.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 22 December 2002 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do you mean it was 0-0, Michael? And what about the Man U-Blackburn game? (A less lazy person might visit a football website, of course...)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 22 December 2002 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, it was goalless, just like in the 70s (well, usually).

Blackburn beat United 1-0, with a first-half Flitcroft goal. Some ex-international who's been knocking around the MUFC reserves came on for the last half-hour, to no great effect.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 22 December 2002 19:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought it was a good game. Everton played like men possessed. It was like Joe Royle's dogs of war. Stubbs was heroic.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 22 December 2002 23:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

It gladdens me no end to read that, Kilian. It was the defence I was most worried about, what with Yobo and Unsworth missing.

It was specifically Jim O'Rourke's "I Took The Opportunity To Antique My End Table" remix off Two Gentlemen that got me through the last seven minutes, if anyone's interested. It could work with, say, Brum-Villa too.

Any thoughts on just what Stevie G was trying to do with that 'tackle'? Apart from end Naysmith's career, that is.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

He says that he was trying to pull out, and I must admit that through my red-tinged eyes it looked that way live too, if he had wanted to end Naysmiths career there he could have done, but his studs landed short of doing it.

For what it's worth I agree with Radio 5, neither team deserved to win it, but as the Guardian said this morning, Moyes bringing on Roonaldo just as the uintroductyion of Heskey and Smicer (who would ever have thought I'd write that sentence?) was a tactical masterstroke.

chris (chris), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd just like to point out that while it's nice to have a thread for the Merseyside also-rans, 2003 will be Chelsea's year. I already have my ticket for the final home game v Liverpool, and I look forward to celebrating as we clinch the title by trouncing the reds. Rather like we stuffed Everton already - twice.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd love to see an end to the Red hegemony, and the least evil option from the traditional chasing pack (EFC being Xmas guests, maybe on a visitors' visa) is a Chelsea triumph. You certainly stuffed us in the Worthless Cup, but quite how you got away from Goodison with three points is a bit of a mystery. Any team with Zola ain't all bad.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

dr c, it is not long since you were calling for ranieris head!

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 23:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Oh no -- according to the www, Liverpool are losing at home to Crystal Palace!

Let's hope they survive.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was hoping for that result, and for Gillingham to beat Leeds, so that we'd have Gillingham vs Palace on live TV.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's a bit of a shocker! an own goal to compound the misery as well!

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

And palace were a man down for the last 20 mins.

Still never mind, they'll be able to concentrate on the league... must practice saying that for when Chris gets in....

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

2-0 to the Palace! And ten man Palace!

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Concentrate on the league? What, on finishing sixth?

Fantastic. They'll be dancing on Westow Hill tonight.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, Liverpool can still qualify for Europe this season!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

intertoto

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh, yeah, forgot about the league cup final.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tom can you delete Gerard Houllier please.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Quoi?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

And the rest of the club too.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

that heskey miss was sensational

zemko (bob), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I heard Gerard say recently that Liverpool have actually had more shots on target than any other team in the P-ship this season - I guess they just haven't been very good shots on target. And judging by last night's performance I can believe it. So does mean that Liverpool's problem isn't lack of width/creative players but rather that the front pairing isn't right? Should Baros be given an extended spell in the 1st team? Should we sell Owen while we could still get big bucks for him?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

JtN's last sentance would have been sacrilegous 6 months or more ago, but it's looking more and more like good business sense, I've had two very in-depth discussions about him on the last week and the topic has come round to one thing. Owen relies on one shot, the curled shot past the keeper into the top right of the goal, you can see him do it every time. However, now his confidence is low, he seems to be scuffing a hella lot more than he connects with, leading to the current plight. Can we wait for the confidence? I don't know to be honest, but Baros has played well enough to give him a run out. Maybe resting Owen for more than just one game could be the answer, not to do with tiredness but to do with him realisisng that he needs to fight for his place.

Word is that Reebok are sponsoring Liverpool to the tune of 100 million and that iit's going to be spent on players (hmmm, and not the new Anfield), but if we ain't in the hampions league, we ain't gong to get the best.

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Word is that Reebok are sponsoring Liverpool to the tune of 100 million and that iit's going to be spent on players (hmmm, and not the new Anfield), but if we ain't in the hampions league, we ain't gong to get the best.

Maybe it depends who's choosing them. Houllier spent 43 million on the following outfield ten:

Heggem, Xavier, Traore, Vignal; Cheyrou, Diomede, Biscan, Smicer; Diouf, Heskey.

What a team, eh? To be fair, in a few cases, they helped win LFC those three cups. But a few more were intended to take LFC to the next level. Next level down, I guess. Houllier does seem to be becoming increasingly paranoid and delusional though (not necessarily about the shots-on-goal thing - they do waste a lot of chances, think of the 0-0 home draw with Sunderland).

Or is this a False Dusk?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 6 February 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hope it is Jonesy, I really do.

Out of those ten, I would keep Vignal (will be good in the future and was pretty cheap, he was flying before he got injured), Diouf (apparently had his best 45 minutes for Liverpool in the first half last night) and of course Heskey, who is a god to me (but I haven't seen *that* miss yet).

Smicer though? the sooner we're rid of him the better, he's rubbish. And I ain't too sure about Cheyrou either.

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

if we'd scored even a third of the chances we got last night then we'd have been hailing a very good performance but then that's been the case all season, hasn't it? some strange noises coming out of anfield re. hamann yesterday also.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

What were these strange noises? Animal noises? Or some kind of spooky chanting?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

when i say "that's been the case all season" i am not saying that's been the only reason we've had such a poor season, just that we've missed an impossible number of good goalscoring opportunities. they'd make a video in themselves.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

the noises were a cross between squeaky trainers and blowing raspberries.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

and they were sounding as if they were saying "come to Bayern Didi"

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm not convinced by the lack of width problem, arsenal don't have flying wingers either tho they do have a tighter pitch (hem hem), tho pires n' ljungberg are masters of timing. murphy and cheyrou are good enough i think

diouf is sadly maligned but i don't think he'll ever be the ticket. squeezing a bit of value out of him by playing him on the wing won't fool anyone

i love cheyrou!! don't u think he looks really good in possession

zemko (bob), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think he looks really good full stop.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think he looks a bit panicked in posession, maybe he needs to get used to the premiership's pace (what a cliche!) or something, but the slagging he got last night on 606 would indicate something wrong with at least last night's performance.

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe resting Owen for more than just one game could be the answer, not to do with tiredness but to do with him realisisng that he needs to fight for his place.

If it's good enough for Dudek, then it should be good enough for Golden Boy.

Venga, Friday, 7 February 2003 11:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

resting dudek my arse! if kirkland hadn't got himself then dudek would never have played again, such is houllier's 'master plan'

zemko (bob), Friday, 7 February 2003 11:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/17/carlo-ancelotti-agrees-deal-with-everton-to-take-over-as-manager

I have a curious feeling that this will actually work.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link

So long Big Dunc

The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/17/carlo-ancelotti-agrees-deal-with-everton-to-take-over-as-manager

I have a curious feeling that this will actually work.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, December 17, 2019

the pinefox, Sunday, 29 May 2022 08:21 (one year ago) link


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