Anticipating "A Feast For Crows" by George R. R. Martin (Nov. 9)

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I'm honestly having a little trouble remembering what the hell went on in the first three (beyond what happens with the interesting characters). I googled around for a recap but no dice--is there a good site anyone knows of with spoilertastic summaries of 1-3?

adam (adam), Friday, 11 November 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Like I said upthread, I'm a little more than halfway through the first book, but I just came down with a nasty cold last yesterday, and I had crazy Robitussin fever dreams about the House of Lannister. This book is pretty infectious.

elmo (allocryptic), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

it only gets more amazing, andeeroo.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Over on Professor Bainbridge's conservoblog I found a post of major praise for Martin and the new book, including this nicely pithy take:

A Song of Fire and Ice is one of the best fantasy series currently going. Martin is a skilled writer and an expert crafter of cliffhangers, red herrings, and other plot twists (probably comes from having written for TV so long). If he's no Gene Wolfe, he's also no Robert Jordan.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I finished A Feast For Crows last week. It's not quite as twisty as the previous book, but definitely solid and now without its OMGWTF moments. It feels like it'll segue really well into the next book (Dance with Dragons, right?). Maybe even feels like the first half of it (which is funny, since it was written after it).

Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

If he's no Gene Wolfe, he's also no Robert Jordan.

What is this supposed to mean? I'm not familiar with either.

BTW, finished the first book last night.

elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm honestly having a little trouble remembering what the hell went on in the first three (beyond what happens with the interesting characters). I googled around for a recap but no dice--is there a good site anyone knows of with spoilertastic summaries of 1-3?

detailed chapter by chapter summaries available here:
http://members.aol.com/vbkorik27/main.html

mason storm (mason storm), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Finished it today. Good stuff. One OMG moment and another telegraphed across the whole book but still entertaining. Now to go back to reading real books until the next one.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

A Time story

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

deer ned ragget: reed books insted of reading about books.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

But that is the academic ideal. Then you write about what you've read about books.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

That's why I dropped out of school.

I was reading some on the train today. I'm nearing the end. I'm glad I didn't just blow through it in two days cuz otherwise I think I'd be really bored and disappointed with whatever else I'd be reading. I love the way Martin drops characters in and out of the story--case in point, two of Robert's bastards who haven't had terribly significant parts yet (especially Mya Stone.) Also awesome: Dornish subplotting.

Is Cersei delusional or was she really psychologically fucked over as a child (more than one would assume, what with her bonking her bro and all.)

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 17 November 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, I finished now. I thought I had a longer way to go, but the appendices are like 2374989374 pages.

SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW:::::::::::::::::::::


so we still have a lot of cliffhangers, some of which are continued over from the previous book.
-Where is Tyrion? I bet he's on Dragonstone, perhaps with Davos Seaworth. Maybe they're both dead.
-Where are the stark lads and jojen and whats'ername? Are they faring well?
-So what's Catelyn's deal now? She's 'alive' in a sense but doesn't seem to have ANY compassion left whatsoever. To be honest, I wouldn't expect her to. But do we think she's going to become a major player in the game? That would surprise me.
-Melisandre & Stannis? I wonder how they're dealing with Jon.

I think Arya is really blind, Laura said she'd taken it as a metaphor for something else. I think the concept of a blind Arya assassin is too much to resist.

Cersei's a terrible cunt, and I hope awful things happen to her in the following book. I don't care much about Margaery, really. If she's a casualty it won't be a significant one in my eyes. She was kinda bland.

What do you think is going to happen with Arianne/Myrcella/Dorne?

I like Jaime much more now. He just keeps getting more likable as the series progresses, which is a nice turnaround. His first appearances make him seem like such a bastard.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Friday, 18 November 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

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I think in the end Jaime is actually going to be the one to kill Cersei. Maggy predicted she'd be killed by a valonquar (sp?) which means younger brother. She always suspected Tyrion, but given the current situation, I'm going with Jaime. He was born after her, after all, and she is the biggest liability ever. Also, she cheated on him something ridiculous while he was busy getting his hand hacked off. If Tommen doesn't survive (I think he's too guileless for longevity) maybe Jaime can marry Margaery.

I don't (want to) think Brienne is really dead.

If Arya really is blind, I think it will be compensated for by some other kind of power... interesting parallels with Bran, perhaps. I still think he could become a major player. I'd like to see her meet up with Jon again, but it's not going to happen until after Dragons at least since they run parallel in the same time frame.

Sansa is well-positioned to be a major player. Will the Stark girls ever reunite with their zombie mother? Only time will tell.

Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 18 November 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
so i read the first three books!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

and, well, i liked them (otherwise i wouldn't have gotten through 2500-some-odd pages). martin is really good at the serial-style cliffhanger while simultaneously working a big, slow-burn plot.

i found that his character development was especially strong; the long build-up to us REALLY meeting jamie lannister was terrific, as was the way he cleverly manipulates reader sympathy in regards to pretty much all of the lannisters.

dude's a little obsessed with rape, though.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean i appreciated how unfanciful and brutally, horribly "realistic" the books are, especially in comparison to the flipper-dee-doo, flipper-dee-dee style of most fantasy, but... it always seemed to come back to rape.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

so when is a feast for crows coming out in paperback? i can't afford no hardcover.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

yer in for a long-ish wait, i think.. it just came out in hardback in november. go to a library!

and yeah, martin is a little obsessed with rape. and incest. and adultery.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe i will go to the library... more likely i will end up splurging on paycheck day though!!

slocki at antexit's house (antexit), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

This dude's middle name is Railroad?!

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

also do you know when the next one is due? it's presumably... written already? so perhaps not as long a wait?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 8 January 2006 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I am starting this now (a friend bought the hardcover otherwise I would have just waited.) I got IMMEDIATELY confused though and I am having damndest time figuring out what was going on in the prologue haha.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

you've read the first three books right??

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Thursday, 9 March 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 March 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

But I finished them a couple of months ago, I guess, and I appear to have completely forgotten a couple of plot points. Am I supposed to know who the "alchemist" in the prologue was/is?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 March 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't. I think.

adam (adam), Thursday, 9 March 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh okay then maybe I am supposed to be confused haha. I read that and then the next chapter I was like, "The Prophet?!?! Who the fuck is the Prophet? Goddammit I am not reading the other three books to catch up!" haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 March 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

All I want to know is when is Arya is going to be reunited with her STUPID WOLF. She can't travel through the forest and have hunting dreams and be unknowingly saved by Nymesteria (or whatever her name is, I don't have the book here) and NOT CATCH ON, DUMMY. Ugh.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 9 March 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha my friend who I loaned the first three books to is in the middle of book two and he was like "Arya get's reunited with her wolf soon, right? RIGHT? I know it's going to happen. No don't tell me. But I know it's going to happen."

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 March 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I am halfway through the first book. Why do the little mens have hairs on their toeses.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 05:12 (eighteen years ago) link

a feast for bros

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

TYRION LANNISTER I WISH I COULD QUIT YOU

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

seriously thinking about picking up some decks of the card game tonight, folks.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

ian, i would love to build an Arya deck and kick ur ass

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

kind of annoyed that the original starter sets are all sold out. they look like the best entry point.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Can we order them? Surely they must be somewhere in New York.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

BOOK. FIVE. WANT.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

If you want to visualize that demand as being emphasized by me spilling the cheerios out of my bowl and banging it against the arm of my high chair, you may.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

there are other starter sets available, laura, but not the first one revolving around lannister/stark/baratheon... other sets include greyjoy, targaryen, martell, etc. i am gonna do some research and when you are back in NY we should buy a couple different decks and see how things work out.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there a straight Greyjoy set? Those are pretty much my favorite chapters, especially in Feast for Crows (unless I am confusing books which is entirely possible).

adam (adam), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I think you play a straight greyjoy deck, if you wanted to. I don't know. Wikipedia is both iluminating and mystifying on the subject.

What is the accepted online resource for finding high-quality CCG criticism???

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

You know I'm gonna have to go Stark.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Deck builds are often referred to as being either Nedly or Jamie. A Nedly deck, named after the character Eddard "Ned" Stark, is defined as a deck that has a theme which is relatively true to the story contained in the books that AGoT is based on. A Jamie deck, named after the character Jamie Lannister, is a deck that is built to win by any means necessary

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't understand any of this

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 13 April 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

it's like magic the gathering.
except with more convoluted game mechanics.
and with the game of fire & ice characters & setting.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Thursday, 13 April 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
no reliance on D&D archetypes

reliance no, parody yes. the "it's a dwarf.... with an axe!!!¡!11lololol geddit" stuff in the first book is sub-pratchett at best :-\

aphid bokmål (dude dude), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, that's hardly something that's emphasized; the closest thing i think there is to a D&D archetype in the first book is probably Ned--lawful good to the max.

when's the next volume due out

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
it seems HBO have acquired the TV rights. Can this possibly work?

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117957532.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

mason storm (mason storm), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

You'll appreciate aFfC more in retrospect.

tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

I finished this! Saggy midsection but flew through it in the last third of the book. Could have lived without description of Sam's "fat pink mast".

I understand why people moaned about it as it can be quite slow going and at times you wonder why the fuck there's so much Iron Islands stuff, for example, but looking back at it all, you can see things shifting into place.

Starting ADWD now. I really hope he can deliver on this big climax.

gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link

the iron islands stuff were the only parts of affc i really hated.

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link


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