Urban Foxes

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now you're pro-fox hunting, stevem?

RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 January 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

no because I don't think it is effective.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

According to Country Life, membership in hunt clubs has doubled since the ban. So perhaps all the illegal hunts are increasing the urban fox populations after all!

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

If foxes weren't hunted they'd thrive more in the country anyway so the fox-hunting legality issue is largely irrelevant to the problem of urban fox increase I think.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

In the year the fox hunting was effectively banned in many places because of foot and mouth restricting access to the countryside, fox populations in affected areas stayed exactly the same as in areas where hunting continued.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe nobody helped you with that injured fox Nick :(

Matt saw one on our street the other day, which is unusual as we are in a very built up area where none of the houses even have back gardens, and right next to the seafront. Maybe it was a sea fox.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I approve of foxes returning to their original environment - the sea.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

the problem of urban fox increase I think

I don't really see this as a problem as such. Go foxes, says I (I put out some left-over cheesy pasta last night, after I saw the old fox over the fence).

I can't believe nobody helped you with that injured fox Nick

I know. I think it was being pissed off with everyone that gave me the courage to pick the thing up (cos I'm a lightweight with handling beasties normally). It was actually pretty docile though, but that was probably shock.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, the mythical Seafox... he posts here sometimes, does he not?

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't tell if it's you or I that are in the minority Nick. This thread indicates an indifference if not fondness for the urban fox generally. In contrast, the fox is constantly portrayed in the media as an unhygienic nuisance. I think I would rather they were merely seen but never heard. Or maybe I could borrow your ears sometimes so as to not be annoyed by their hideous hyena-like shrieking ever again.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't spray the garden with some sort of repellent because it's not my garden. But then you can hear these foxes several gardens away anyway, seemingly.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The real reason foxes get vocal after doing the deed.

Since it’s the breeding season the dog fox will shadow the every move of the vixen, she is only receptive for a period of about 3 days. From the dog fox's point of view he must ensure he is there when she is ready. Several attempts to mount the vixen will be rebuffed, sometimes quite aggressively. However, when she is ready she flirts around the dog fox. Caution at this stage is thrown to the wind, and many people will observe the foxes in the process of mating. When the vixen is ready the dog fox will grasp her from behind with his front two legs and start to mate. It is said that at this point the dog fox’s penis is not totally erect until he has actually entered the vagina, when it becomes completely erect and the base of it begins to swell. Also, the vixen's vagina will constrict. This swelling and constriction will cause the pair to lock together, commonly called the 'tie'. When the dog fox ejaculates he attempts to dismount, but as they are still locked together he brings one of his back legs over the vixen’s back and there they stand, back to back, for the duration of the tie, possible for hours.

No barbs anywhere, and appears to be more painful for the male fox than the female.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Caution at this stage is thrown to the wind, and many people will observe the foxes in the process of mating.

so really it should be called 'foxing' not 'dogging'

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

We have a lot of foxes nearby.

The nearest I've been is when a friend of mine used to work at the driving range doing security at night. Over a couple of years he managed to befriend and eventually hand-feed a couple of young foxes.

I wonder what happened to the foxes after he died, not everyone likes to encourage them.

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

the fox is constantly portrayed in the media as an unhygienic nuisance

Hmmm, I don't see foxes as being particularly unhygenic creatures. So they apart the odd bin bag, but maybe people shouldn't leave their rubbish on street so much. And sure, there's the odd outbreak of mange every now and again, but most of the urban foxes you see seem to be in pretty good nick. I think that a lot of what they eat consists of mice and rats and pigeons, so they're probably doing quite a service.

Noise-wise, it sounds like it's just a seasonal thing (and all the posts here complaining about it are from late December/early January!), so if it's any consolation, it won't go on for very long.

Or maybe I could borrow your ears sometimes so as to not be annoyed by their hideous hyena-like shrieking ever again.

But Steve, it's the call of the wild!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

it's noise pollution is what it is. i've had problems with them in the night for years now in various places (inc. Ruislip, Harringay). they seem to upset pet cats and dogs by invading 'their' territory which sets them off too. hopefully you're right in that it won't be as bad in a month or two.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

there's a skinny little one around our house that i always feel a bit sorry for, as it looks totally out of its element and i worry that rampaging teenagers will get ahold of it and torture it or something. my friend has loads around his place - big, robust looking ones that strut around like they own the garden. i'm afraid someone may have put poisoned meat out for them, though.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

they seem to upset pet cats and dogs by invading 'their' territory which sets them off too

I suppose there is an argument that says that it's the cats and dogs that shouldn't really be there, so I wouldn't totally blame the foxes for that. Anyhow - tried earplugs?

NickB (NickB), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

feathers are scattered all over my garden!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm afraid someone may have put poisoned meat out for them, though.

ooh good tip...


I suppose there is an argument that says that it's the cats and dogs that shouldn't really be there

you mean people should never have domesticated cats and dogs? but then they'd be running wild as well, or maybe extinct. from a territorial point of view they were there 'first'. my neighbours dogs are fucked up anyway though - they run out into the garden every morning at 6.30am and yap their heads off, seemingly for no reason at all - and again several times through the day. i think fox scent is a big factor in this but the other one is they are complete mentalists.


earplugs are uncomfortable and do not block the sound properly (as they seem to be designed more to block nearer, quieter sounds rather than more distant loud ones).

basically the two combined are making me quite tense at night and i lose sleep because of all the noise. it's no fun.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
last night's dispatches (was it?) i caught the end of it. why did the bloke hire that gunman to kill those two foxes in his garden?

koogs, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha, re: my old post. Fuckers have moved into my new street now.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

they disrespected his family.

blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

was Cutting Edge:

http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/cutting_edge/foxes.html

koogs, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post Also, they disrespected his chickens by tearing their heads off.

Neil S, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

"One human, Howard, is very unhappy having the fox family around – particularly after his daughter's chickens get slaughtered yet again."

get one fucking decent henhouse then, cockfarmer.

koogs, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Howard was rather too keen on the sharp shooter's rifle, wasn't he!

Neil S, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

the couple that was "trying to go green" were just awful. their council managed to rustle up an actual fox expert to come round to their house, who explained very patiently that if they insisted on keeping chickens in their back garden they would never see the end of the foxes. even if they shot one or two, more would come behind. "they know where everything in the neighborhood is," the expert said - "they know where the cats are, the dogs, where a pond is to get a drink of water. i'm afraid that chickens will just be too much of a temptation for them, no matter how you try to deal with it." the husband snorts. "so the local council's no help at all then, is what it boils down to."

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

it's three-way species war and you do what you gotta.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

What is it with urban foxes and fucking very loudly up against people's windows at night?

When I lived in Bow, one day I came home from the pub to hear a loud tapping at the back door. I crept towards it and there was a fox, knocking on the glass and looking at me expectantly.

braveclub, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Are those two paragraphs thematically connected?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

No, completely separate, I should have made that clear!

braveclub, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

shame, I was envisaging "Bow man forced to marry fox"-type headlines....

Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

the couple that was "trying to go green" were just awful

Yes. "Going green" doesn't involve trying to eradicate the local wildlife so that you can pursue your hobbies.

NickB, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

hang on 'local wildlife'? surely they lived in a city?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Foxes are still wildlife, even in a city.

Neil S, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Chickens are very stupid creatures.

Abbott, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

not quite as fucking stupid as howard and his family. did he really think there were only two foxes in the whole city, or something?

what an absolute cock-farmer. except not literally. daft, trigger-happy, wank-faced bastard.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I found a fox on the road on my run to work this morning. I picked it up and carried it over to the grass verge, cos I couldn't bear to leave it to get pulped all day under car wheels. Much better that the crows and flies and dirt and slugs get it and pull the thing apart gently. Death aside, it was very beautiful and healthy-looking and not much visible damage, just a trickle of blood from its mouth. Fur was quite warm, but the body had stiffened up which for some reason surprised me a bit. Anyhow, it was a big wide road with big wide verges so I think there is no way they didn't see it, myopic idiot douchebag drivers.

NickB, Thursday, 19 April 2007 08:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Rigor mortis.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

not sure how metamerism affects speed that rigor mortis sets in. This is prolly an aspect of thanatology that no-one has bothered to research. Maybe speed that rigor mortis sets in is directly proportional to body mass, with almost immediate effects for a mouse and a huge amount of time for an elephant?

Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Remember that story, a few years back, about a fox entering a house and biting a little girl? That was the house next door to mine! They've moved since... my neighbours... and probably the fox has too

Tom D., Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

did the girl do anything to provoke the fox?

Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Didn't a fox fall asleep on a little girl's face and smother her? Maybe it was a cat...

chap, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:03 (seventeen years ago) link

That's cats. They steal the breath from babies while they sleep.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

did the girl do anything to provoke the fox?

The family used to speak French a lot - the mother was French - maybe that was it?

Tom D., Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

All sounds a bit unlikely. Are you sure they weren't just crying wolf?

NickB, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

ha ha, foxes always be hating on the French.

blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't they have a chicken as their national symbol? Serves 'em right dunnit?

NickB, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Wasn't Reynard French tho? Or maybe German?

Tom D., Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I respect their trolling skills. There's one that just stares from the railway embankment behind out house, impassive, as my dog winds himself up yelling at him.

woof, Friday, 23 June 2023 16:51 (nine months ago) link

Our dog (very territorial, very barky, self-styled snarling bane of all foxes) apparently went out for a pee while this scene was playing out and just straight up didn't notice it was sitting there

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 23 June 2023 16:54 (nine months ago) link

We had a fox hanging out in our backyard for a few days, hiding under bushes and rolling in the grass. At one point he came out when the cat and I were in the yard, and he seemed more intimidated by the cat's display of aggression than by mine.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 26 June 2023 16:03 (nine months ago) link


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