Jean-Luc Godard: S and D

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'passion' is funny, sometimes just in its audacity

― !!!! (amateurist), Friday, 19 March 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.criterionco.com/content/images/full_boxshot/238_box_348x490.jpg

I wish Criterion made posters out of their box art. I can't wait to watch this and the short that accompanies it.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 17 June 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

that's a cool cover (except for the repeat of the title on the bottom), but the film is one of godard's worst imo. funny enough, criterion is supposed to be releasing "lettre à jane" on dvd, which is another of his worst. i guess they can make it up to us by releasing "je vous salue, marie" one of these days.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:39 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...

How is "Le Mepris"?

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 24 October 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Excellent. The argument in the living room is gripping. The third act is -- somewhat incomprehensible, but good.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

What about this 3 DVD boxset?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002HSDD2/qid=1098643669/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-3737398-5990003

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

this one looks marginally better:

http://play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=162776

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Two Or Three Things I Know About Her is about the suburbs (la banlieue)

― --bruno, Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you, RJG, I appreciate your efforts. Actually, I think you can get it for less in the real shops. It is 'fullscreen' - booooooooooo!

I think I prefer this 'Jean Vigo' thing because it has an interview with Otar Iosseliani:

http://play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=123208

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I think they might have been filmed, in 'fullscreen'.

I can't remember but.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, right. Well, they ought to stretch them then.

I only have a 'fullscreen' portable telly to watch them on anyway.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 24 October 2004 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

godard is one of those people i'd actually rather not hear about again for a long while, although i like some of his films, esp. hail mary/first name: carmen/detective/etc.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...

The 3 DVD box set referred to above, which is now GBP 19.99 in HMV or Virgin sale, is it...dubbed? It says subtitles, none.

Did you watch 'Elogie d'amour', Jerry? I taped it, on the video, off the telly, but I haven't watched it yet.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

that's 90 minutes you can safely record over, Peter.

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

the complete jean vigo is great.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

otm! they shd do more of 'that kind of thing'.

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Elogie d'Amour is well worth watching, though probably only once.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought elogie d'amour was very good when I watched in the cinema, I can remember walking down byres road explaining to my friend exactly why (it had something to do with history & memory). strangely though I can't remember anything about the film other than the fact it has a piano player and a colour change (?) in it. I doubt I'd like it as much now, knowing what I do now.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

IIRC

First Half: Paris. moody b/w. a sensitive young man is working on a play/novel/poem/opera. plentiful references to books JLG probably hasn't read. a scene near the canal where part of 'L'Atalante' was shot.
Second Half: Brittany. extraordinary colour. an american (working for Spielberg) is trying to buy the rights to a resistance's fighter's autobiography. how awful--the yanks have no history, they have to steal 'ours' to make films. something vague about juliette binoche.

not a very lucid film, and honestly if it wasn't godard doing it no-one would have given a toss.

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...

i watched band of outsiders again last night, the end of that movie always makes me inexplicably happy. the last line of the narration is one of my favorite moments in all of cinema.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link

people of britain, buy the new la chinoise dvd ok?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I wish I could find a copy of the Le Mepris soundtrack somewhere.

and the latest Criterion news re: Godard is their forthcoming release of Masculin/Feminin

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I just saw a showing of Masculin, féminin tonight and it was fun as hell-- probably my favorite of the Godard films I've seen so far.

― Chris F. (servoret), Sunday, 10 July 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

people of britain, buy the new la chinoise dvd ok?

Oh man, I hadn't heard about this. I'm debating ordering it from Amazon UK.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone know if there are any available versions of Historie(s) du cinema?

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

only the japanese box set

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

and the latest Criterion news re: Godard is their forthcoming release of Masculin/Feminin

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently the MF Criterion disc has new interviews with Goya, Kurrant and Gorin.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link

omg destroy Comment ça va, worst godard ever. it probably would have been good as a book on tape or something though.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Or a lecture!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 10 July 2005 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link

there's also a french (vhs only) box set of Histoire(s) du cinéma

― ---Bruno, Sunday, 10 July 2005 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i got chinoise from australia, it was supposed to have 'british sounds' as an extra but didn't. peeved criterion are doing 'm-f' cos i got it on a uk edition. 'la chinoise' looks glorious.

― n_RQ, Sunday, 10 July 2005 11:30 (eighteen years ago) link

theres always fantastic or uh rickety godard vhss on ebay, i bot histoires but wished id bought the soundtrack box. i want to see made in usa the most. masculin is my favorite tho. i also picked up some godard authored tract a cpl months ago, recent, called like cinema, maybe i shd read it today? its ben embarassing me

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Made in USA is on a new UK Godard set. (w/ Pierrot Le Fou and Prenom Carmen)

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

and the latest Criterion news re: Godard is their forthcoming release of Masculin/Feminin

BOUT FUCKING TIME, SHEESH.

New Yorker Video is also putting out Week-end this August.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I notice that none of the Criterion Godard releases are "director-approved," which I guess shouldn't surprise me one jot.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

try to get godard involved in a video production without him holding forth for ten hours on the 'end of cinema' and so forth. or a discourse on the metaphysics of aspect ratios. this was the subject of a recent (last year?) piece for cahiers du cinema. i guess i'm supposed to find him charming as an old man and such but i read stuff like that and i guess it's a little emperor's-new-clothes for me. i mean, he's apeshit batty, and the editors are like "hm, godard's poetics of the aspect ratio is quite provocative." bleh. but yeah he's made a lot of great movies.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh. His writing has been pretty crazy since he started making movies. His movies are still charming!

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i haven't found his last few very charming.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i like when he talks abt tennis

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 10 July 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Contempt. Breathless was fine, but not outstanding.

That Vigo box set looks impressive. They need to release that here in the States -- the only Vigo available is the excellent L'Atalante.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

m/f i like but read about french politics in the 60s first and you may find it less impressive.

― n_RQ, Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

That Vigo box set looks impressive. They need to release that here in the States -- the only Vigo available is the excellent L'Atalante.

There's a great Vigo retrospective at BAM right now. They're showing (or have showed) his three plus If..., Before the Revolution, the doc abt the '68 Columbia takeover and a few other things.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

xp i like that it, masculin fem is poppy, the girl eating her apple, all the fidgeting isnt there more to take issue w with his women than his politics, then? i find him pretty wise, now. what are you referring to tho? general juvenalia, adolescence? vietnam shit

ooh bam! ive been hoping to see vigos docs, sighing for america

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

also i totally buy into his connections btw history, narrative, fascism, representation but of course aspect ratios are science fiction

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Masculin/Feminin when it came through, and I still don't know what to think. I loved most of it, the complete lack of standard visual storytelling, youthful romance told with a perspective almost absent from cinema, but the political title cards and occasional step-outs didn't add anything to the film or say much themselves. The 'interview with a consumer product' was almost offensive (and tells me that spending any time with Godard would probably drive one to punch him in the nose repeatedly).

I'll give Grouchy Old Man Godard credit for being completely OTM about Michael Moore's uselessness and F9/11 backfiring.

― milo, Monday, 11 July 2005 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

his aspect-ratios thing btw was a short essay accompanied by several images, the same image in fact, albeit cropped to different ratios. these were accompanied by godard's handwriting which suggested--sort of--the philosophical/poetic differences caused by the varying aspect ratios. after scrutinizing the images for some time (and spending an equal amount of time trying to make out godard's messy handwriting--thanks editor dudes! god forbid you could *type* out what the Master wrote) i decided that any such differences were entirely in godard's head.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i am also made uneasy by godard's casual references--unceasing in interviews--to "the americans" and "the jews." in one recent interview, given to the NYT i think, godard was extremely rude to the reporter and made some comment about how she couldn't fully grasp his film because there was very complex math in it (whatever math he related was not only simplistic but dubious) and americans weren't very good at math.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link

godard is (and has always been) guilty of the sort of naïve formalism that felicity called out on the "male gaze" thread--i.e. collapsing cinematic style into all kinds of broader phenomena, and assuming some kind of metaphysical/rhetorical equivalence between the two. he can also be very insightful, and very observant, but one needs to have a BS detector activated whenever he's talking politics.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

a cpl weeks ago if my memorys ok after the bean beam i desided ms md of the nyt deserved it cuz she reviewed smthng like mr mrs smith v snobbily but ama if, again, i recall u were the one on the gaze thread to sugg laura ws not being pre or proscriptive, but smthng else? it cld involve a gd deal of generosity and disbelief but i uh regard godards formalism? as v personal to him, his moral or ethical filmmaking as kind of gilding his omelettes w her, useful at breakfast and one of a kind in fact. xp haha almost offensive. title cards ad smthng obviously. also to be serious ama i cant believe you characterize godard as nevermore neverless naif. i think hes changed! so do you right, on film, detective? also ama is there a thread you cn link where you explain how movies have nothing to do with life? that it is apples and oranges? im still on some teenage analogy shit so im v confused. also u invented this math thing yourself?

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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Imagine being in a film, not understanding any of it then watching it months later and it never making sense.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 13:59 (one year ago) link

i mean a lot of people in POPULAR MOVIE FRANCHISE DELETED must feel like that

― jus do jus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 14:43 (one year ago) link

quite a little burgess meredith anecdote in that piece

― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link

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