two more than i expected. but the ep did manage to make me feel old, what with it being the token "old guy" character wearing the same pumpkins shirt i used to have.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:26 (ten years ago) link
Marnie and Shoshana are almost unwatchably annoying
Aren't they supposed to be?
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
Marnie's whole Edie Brickell video was amazing and will forever justify this show's existence.
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
xp sure, but how many times do I need to watch Shoshanna being shrill and breathless and one-note and doing her caricatured, sheltered jewish summer camp girl schtick? It's exhausting.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
I'm going to take a chance and say you don't need to watch Shosh at all or, conversely, you can watch her as many times as you desire, because no one is forcing you to watch the show.
I'm sorry if someone or something is, however.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
First Ray doesn't want to be friends w/her and now you, Hurting 2?!
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link
will still keep watching but show jumped the shark
― flopson, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
no one is forcing you to watch the show.
Excellent point. And if you love the show so much, why don't you marry it.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
"no one is forcing you to watch the show"
why do people who say this exist?
― flopson, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
no one is forcing you to watch the show.Excellent point. And if you love the show so much, why don't you marry it.― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Your pseudo-question presupposes that I have not.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
"no one is forcing you to watch the show"why do people who say this exist?― flopson, Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flopson, Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
i like how confrontations in this show are never satisfying or cathartic. ray just looked and felt stupid in this episode.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
otm, i actually really liked the way ray's fight just kind of petered off with a p minimal impact on everyone else
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
What did we think of John Cameron Mitchell?
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link
ray just looked and felt stupid in this episode.
As the bridge between his old life chasing young ladies and his new life as the mgr of Ray's (or Grumpy's or whatever they're calling it), I felt this was pretty comparable to the storyline of Jessa and the dad where she was an au pair.
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
Normal Adam is uninteresting, as well. I want to see more of late season 2 Adam.
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
I want to to see a comedy spin-off where Adam's sister gets discovered and has a team of handlers to get her through the day while she dances like a sub-par Elaine, rolls her eyes like a madwoman and hangs out bottom-less in bathrooms frustrated at not being able to break plastic sippy cups. Hi-jinks!
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
I do have to say that that bit where she tried to harangue Ray into dancing with her and then biting him... man that just hit too close to home to not be funny. I have totally had similar things happen to me at shows
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:03 (ten years ago) link
^^^
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:04 (ten years ago) link
I'll be slightly offended if they just introduced this character who handles her mental health issues somewhat worse than Adam (though they both are obviously quirky at best) and then conveniently discard her.
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link
she was pretty much the only worthwhile thing in the ep
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:22 (ten years ago) link
The passive-aggressive part where Marnie ropes Hanah into singing their nostalgic duet (after Hannah has explicitly told her she'd rather leave that in the past), followed by Marnie trying to convince the back room crowd not to ditch for the fight (despite Hannah's obv discomfort) left me wishing I found her less insufferable. In the insufferable battle (subtext: annoying twenty-something girls), I feel like I would have a wary crush on Jessa, would like Hannah in the right circumstances and not for too long at a time, would simply die of boredom with Marnie and avoid her and would find Shoshanna perplexing. Her speech pattern alone would both apall and fascinate me. I'm sure I would never bother to see the good side of Ray unless I lived right next to the cafe and Adam would fascinate me but from afar. I'm not sure I would ever trust him.
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:23 (ten years ago) link
Awesome for the lols, truly, but I'm really ambivalent about characters like this unless they're written with understanding and sympathy. She kissed Hannah's dad on the lips, rolled her eyes like a banshee, wept manipulatively, bit Ray and then broke into her brother's place entirely w/o his consent and terrified Hannah in the bathroom (I have to admit I entirely saw this coming and she still startled the fcuk out of me) and cut her hand, oh so dramatically, on a glass she broke in her own fist. Guilty lols unless they do something w/her and her brother...
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:29 (ten years ago) link
adam's sister was a bit much.
on the other hand i really like bringing out the undercurrent of just meanness in shosh. was also great with ray just saying "fuck it i don't want to be your friend".
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:31 (ten years ago) link
the sister is written pretty much w/o any sympathy or understanding. but there is this underlying narrative of the life lesson that sometimes you think you want to be nice to people and helpful and then just... you sort of get that you should avoid them.
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:32 (ten years ago) link
i envy anyone for whom the sister was not immediately familiar
― flopson, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
agreed on shoshanna she's like a vanessa bayer SNL character
― Ronnie James 乒乓 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
I think part of my problem is that I don't even think Zosia Mamet is that good. But the character is very one-note, and even when they write in "character development" for her, it feels very forced.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link
I thought Ray's conversation w/Shosh had as much to do with her moving on (and being preditably callow) and his being a little more sentimental and then realizing, 'wtf, I don't want to be friends with you, you'd be a terrible friend.' Not so much a taking sides thing as a different ages/personalities thing.
The apt scenes with Caroline was definitely written to contrast Adam's rational mistrust with Hannah's generous naivete. Classic urban story...
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link
flopson, according to her imdb, everything I'd ever have seen her in is pretty old. Interesting that she lived ten years at the Chelsea Hotel as a child, though.
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link
shosh meant more to ray than he meant to her. i don't know if it has to do with age or callousness. it's just a painful thing that basically everyone experiences at some point.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
I want to to see a comedy spin-off where Adam's sister gets discovered and has a team of handlers to get her through the day while she dances like a sub-par Elaine, rolls her eyes like a madwoman and hangs out bottom-less in bathrooms frustrated at not being able to break plastic sippy cups. Hi-jinks!― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:49 (ten years ago) link
i envy anyone for whom the sister was not immediately familiar― flopson, Tuesday, January 21, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:50 (ten years ago) link
she was familiar to me sort of but presented in a shallow, almost dehumanizing way, much like the people in group therapy in the first episode. i'm not sure if this is an issue with the show though, more like a brutally honest presentation of how desperate people come across when you encounter them in the real world.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link
And you're 25 and looking forward to enjoying your birthday
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:41 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh sorry i meant the character, not the actress. should have made that clearer. actress is cool.
― flopson, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 23:24 (ten years ago) link
I've never met someone like Adam's sister. I guess I need to go and do that now. I feel so sheltered.― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:50 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ah, to have shitty manipulative friends dependent on you habitually ruin your life
― flopson, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link
flopson, if you were my friend, I would never manipulate you.
I'm usually very direct with people, though, a la Adam with her sister.
Am I the only one who thought her hairy privates were a bit of comic relief?
― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 23:41 (ten years ago) link
Comic relief but only after she scared the shit out of me...
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 23:45 (ten years ago) link
Was the Marnie youtube/autotune thing a reference to Rebecca Black
― 龜, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link
Marnie is so irritating, I look forward to more horrible things happening to her
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
she's not that bad as far as characters in this show go. her reaction to the charlie breakup is overblown and she seems incredibly self-centered much of the time but then again, i can relate.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 00:48 (ten years ago) link
she has no redeeming qualities
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 00:49 (ten years ago) link
you don't find perfect teeth redeeming?
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link
The cool trick that the writers played was that the presence of Caroline made Adam feel like the sane, rational, sympathetic character
― 龜, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 00:56 (ten years ago) link
― c21m50nh3x460n, Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:41 AM (59 minutes ago)
lol she's post-pubescent!
― giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:03 (ten years ago) link
the problem is there really was nothing even sorta redeeming about the sis. like the crazy was at 11 and that's it. no real indication of how anyone could get sucked in by her. just sorta grotesque.
note i didn't think the portrayal of people in group was like that at all
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link
it wasn't as extreme but it was still a thing where these people were presented as both clearly suffering and pathetic, to the extent where you could sort of get why jessa was repelled by them, and the idea that she was supposed to identify with them and their issues.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:51 (ten years ago) link
Actress was on louie some time back, killed it.
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 00:48 (1 hour ago) Permalink
I think she's kind of a sad character actually. I guess she's supposed to be narcissistic? She doesn't actually ever seem to care for Charlie at all, she only cares whether she can win/retain his love. I think that fits nicely with her interest in Booth Jonathan, which, as the show pretty much spells out, is more about the "idea" of being with him than about him. Of course, the fact that she says that so brazenly and openly, to his face, only emphasizes how narcissistic she is, that it doesn't even seem to occur to her that there's anything wrong with that. In that way, she's very well written and believable.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:00 (ten years ago) link