most people don't seem to really enjoy hurting other people. discovering that the circumstances of your birth, your family, community, society, the fabric of your reality, is actually causing real harm to other human beings, that's a pretty heavy thing to lay on someone. the existence of internalized oppressiveness in someone is generally not much the fault of the person who has it, if we want to be realistic about it. nobody wakes up and says "time to oppress some minorities today!" except sadistic or power-tripping fucks.
truth is, you do have to forgive a racist or sexist most of the time. people aren't as responsible as we'd like to think for how they think, act, and believe, and trying to put more responsibility on them than they have is why you keep. seeing. over. and over. and over. again people getting upset at being called "oppressors".
so you keep seeing the same reaction from people over and over again. don't you think there might be a reason for it? "yeah, racists are evil idiots who MUST BE EDUCATED!!!" no, they're just imperfect people being imperfect people. that's the sad, harsh reality of life. if you keep fighting that reality, you're going to get nowhere.
― Spectrum, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:38 (ten years ago) link
most people don't seem to really enjoy hurting other people
lol disagree
― the late great, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
guess it comes down to what you mean by enjoy
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
i'd like to believe that at least :S
― Spectrum, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
Everybody is imperfect. Everyone realizes this. That baseline imperfection that we all share doesn't mean that I have to be nice to you if you make one too many "harmless" jokes about my natural rhythm.
And yes, you are totally wrong about ppl not enjoying hurting other ppl.
― SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 10 January 2014 18:41 (ten years ago) link
people def want and try to hurt other people but for the majority of the population enjoy is going too far
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
you can't change if you don't know you've done wrong. that's why learning is at the top of the list.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
Let's not argue about privilege with burt
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
i stand with burt
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
i liked what he said
wait is spectrum burt stanton
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
uh oh
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
Please erase reference to real life name of ILX poster
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
News u can use
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 10 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
oh, sorry.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
wait i don't think that's true lol
― k3vin k., Friday, 10 January 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
i don't mean to imply that most people make a hobby of hurting other people, or find pleasure in it
just that taking out our daily angers and frustrations on others (possibly real others, possibly imagined others) is a common cathartic response to stress
― the late great, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
maybe "find occasional catharsis in hurting other people" is a better way to put it than "enjoy"
fer sure, but then there are plenty actual sadistic psychopaths out there too
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link
which i think is an important distinction
xxpost noodle vague is it maybe a little weird to draw a hard line between foucault and marx? i mean foucault pretty much = marx + sade / nietzsche. point is taken that discourse theory is more properly "post-Marxist," but no Foucault w/out Marx so.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 11 January 2014 03:05 (ten years ago) link
oh lol i typed that like 12 hours ago and just submitted. please ignore the non sequitur and carry on.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 11 January 2014 03:07 (ten years ago) link
i guess at the time i was trying to make a point about engaging in privilege discourse without subscribing to Marxist political beliefs - "Marxian" rather than "Marxist" for want of a more established distinction but sure i take your point.
fact is, not all critics of privilege are critiquing all systems of power and to conflate all struggles to the struggle feels a bit like a privileged, totalizing dick move to me
― Jargon Kinsman (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 11 January 2014 09:53 (ten years ago) link
i like this graphic
http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/main_node_view_image/goldberg_twitter_otu_img.png
http://www.thenation.com/article/178140/feminisms-toxic-twitter-wars
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:38 (ten years ago) link
only the millionth time that article's been written in the past few years
"toxic" is becoming (or has become) a codeword
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:43 (ten years ago) link
already did that one Feminist Theory & "Women's Issues" Discussion Thread: All Gender Identities Are Encouraged To Participate
― flopson, Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:43 (ten years ago) link
way to infringe on my rights to not real the womens issues thread you fucking entitled fascist
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:45 (ten years ago) link
― worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:43 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ knows how the game is played
repostphobic
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:46 (ten years ago) link
i think one of the reasons i like twitter so much is it makes everyone seem extremely insane
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:47 (ten years ago) link
what is it about it that does that
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:49 (ten years ago) link
i dont know its just magical maybe
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:50 (ten years ago) link
why are that woman's knees talking
― k3vin k., Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:51 (ten years ago) link
not oppressing knees, knees should feel free to air any and all grievances
maybe thats a clue
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:52 (ten years ago) link
the format encourages putting your tossed-off, unthought-out commentary on blast
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:52 (ten years ago) link
yeah and its good for arguing but not for nuance, its simultaneously very id-y and intellectual which is just a weird combo
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:55 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/loLW9P8.png
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 05:00 (ten years ago) link
cool
― i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 30 January 2014 13:49 (ten years ago) link
such a sweet ass photograph
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 January 2014 13:56 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i would tell you to stfu but you'd just accuse me of making a tone argument u_u
― flopson, Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/white-male-privilege-squandered-on-job-at-best-buy,35835/ discus
― smhphony orchestra (crüt), Saturday, 26 April 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
ha, the joke doesn't really go any deeper than the headline tho
― steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Sunday, 27 April 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
http://time.com/85933/why-ill-never-apologize-for-my-white-male-privilege/
― 龜, Monday, 5 May 2014 01:39 (nine years ago) link
this is that scumbag whose twitter bio is 'settling the west bank' right?
― balls, Monday, 5 May 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link
seriously? it said he's a freshman
― funch dressing (La Lechera), Monday, 5 May 2014 01:50 (nine years ago) link
The phrase, handed down by my moral superiors, descends recklessly, like an Obama-sanctioned drone, and aims laser-like at my pinkish-peach complexion, my maleness, and the nerve I displayed in offering an opinion rooted in a personal Weltanschauung.
i hereby nominate this to the terribly writing hall of fame
― Clay, Monday, 5 May 2014 01:55 (nine years ago) link
*terrible, also i nominate myself
Tal Fortgang, a freshman at Princeton University
― 龜, Monday, 5 May 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
I am imagining David Spade in PCU
http://i.imgur.com/CLQefpS.jpg
― 龜, Monday, 5 May 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link