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not reading him right now, but closely following developments in this r s thomas on crisp packets story.

woof, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 16:15 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Michael Robbins - Alien Vs Predator

― o. nate, Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:28 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did you like this? i enjoyed it at first, but once i 'got it' i sort of didn't enjoy it anymore.

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 31 January 2014 17:48 (five years ago) link

what adrienne rich should i start with, do people think?

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 31 January 2014 17:50 (five years ago) link

xp haha

flopson, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:50 (five years ago) link

did you like this? i enjoyed it at first, but once i 'got it' i sort of didn't enjoy it anymore

I still like it, yeah. I take it down from the shelf and read one or two every once in a while. Some I like better than others. The best ones hold up well, I think.

o. nate, Saturday, 1 February 2014 02:00 (five years ago) link

I'm not as familiar with Rich's work as I'd like, so I hope others better informed can advise, but Diving into the Wreck is probably a good place to start; I'm also partial to the long poem "Snapshots of a Daughter-in-Law" from the book of the same title.

xp

one way street, Saturday, 1 February 2014 02:05 (five years ago) link

In music I'm attracted to ambitious disasters; in literature I'm attracted to larval states, during which poets and novelists haven't found their voices. The Diamond Cutters and Snapshots of a Daughter in Law are my favorites of hers: I love the tension between the glacial severity of her images and barely suppressed anger (the enjambments are harsh and sharp too).

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 February 2014 02:19 (five years ago) link

you can find a cheap Norton anthology of her selected works that also includes her (essential) essays

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 February 2014 02:20 (five years ago) link

November 1968

Stripped you're beginning to float free up through the smoke of brushfires and incinerators the unleafed branches won't hold you nor the radar aerials

You're what the autumn knew would happen after the last collapse of primary color once the last absolutes were torn to pieces you could begin

How you broke open, what sheathed you until this moment I know nothing about it my ignorance of you amazes me now that I watch you starting to give yourself away to the wind

mustread guy (schlump), Saturday, 1 February 2014 05:36 (five years ago) link

wait go http://www.best-poems.net/adrienne_rich/poem-43.html for formatting

mustread guy (schlump), Saturday, 1 February 2014 05:39 (five years ago) link

I don't know, I always found Rich really dry, but it was a talk she gave on Emily Dickinson that made me curious about that author. Because before that I thought Dickinson wrote "little girl scout prayers" as Rich put it (possibly not verbatim), while discussing her image.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 February 2014 17:04 (five years ago) link

(I've at least read one of those Norton selected or collected poems of Rich's.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 February 2014 17:05 (five years ago) link

Her Dickinson essay is fantastic!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 February 2014 17:05 (five years ago) link

I heard a recorded talk she gave, presumably close to the essay, or maybe a reading of it. (I don't think I ever went on to read in print form what she had to say about Dickinson.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 1 February 2014 17:08 (five years ago) link

'on lies, secrets, and silence' is a good essay collection

j., Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:56 (five years ago) link

i am going to post a short verse of a joseph ceravolo poem when i get home, get ready for it

mustread guy (schlump), Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:40 (five years ago) link

buckle up

mustread guy (schlump), Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:40 (five years ago) link

my *selected berryman* showed up last night and man

those fuckin sonnets

"Maybe our safeties…come for our risk’s sake."

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 6 February 2014 16:26 (five years ago) link

aw i'm just about to pick up dream songs, from the library, cause i never tended to berryman much
& then i read something last week on a blog that knocked me for six, like wow

& i didn't post the ceravolo poem because it was too simple, out of context
like you needed the mess of the whole thing
he is really interesting!, i think. maybe because sometimes i am cruising this sorta in-love-with-eileen-myles wave of tumblr poetry that takes this elemental small-scale form as a template but has this maybe predictable voice?, now, like there's not a solipsism but a fixed reach to it? a formula by which it roams. & the ceravolo is crazy, it's like frank o'hara free jazz, i can't believe he gets so far with so little, eschewing so much, relying on you so much
maybe i'll post it later

mustread guy (schlump), Thursday, 6 February 2014 17:55 (five years ago) link

ah yeah i just read that one last night too, damn near devoured the whole little selected in a few hours

so much to chew on

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 6 February 2014 19:01 (five years ago) link

those fuckin sonnets

I'm an admirer of Berryman's sonnets, too. He leaves enough of the trad structure intact that it frees his sense of language, imagery and ideas to climb forward, and his plays against the trad sonnet structure gain extra weight because they are so deliberate.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 February 2014 19:02 (five years ago) link

i got halfway through this great long thing on berryman on the bus home last night, stopped reading to start reading the selected, then picked it back up and realized the whole thing is sort of a long-form review of the selected itself. happy accident.

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 6 February 2014 19:04 (five years ago) link

man sharon olds' the dead and the living just came in and i tried to read a bit of it before bed

fuckin mistake.

just awful dark stuff, not meant for the pillow.

mary karr's viper rum is winning me over though. every third one or so is a gut punch, like a slightly unstiffened O'Connor. and i like my O'Connor just fine.

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 21:10 (five years ago) link

This has a lovely cover, but the prose poems it consists of did nothing for me.
http://ndbooks.com/images/made/images/covers/Fullblood_Arabian_300_450.jpg
I found them facile and pseudo-profound (the nod to Khalil Gibran in Lydia Davis's introduction should have tipped me off), but plenty of people disagree with me.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 13 February 2014 01:08 (five years ago) link

there is just so much in Olds; they're not even so panoramic, just so full and imaginable. three a day, max.

mustread guy (schlump), Thursday, 13 February 2014 03:09 (five years ago) link

& wait is TDATL the recent one?

mustread guy (schlump), Thursday, 13 February 2014 03:09 (five years ago) link

nah its one from the early 80s.

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 13 February 2014 03:41 (five years ago) link

Petrarch b/w English Alliterative Revival stuff; then a reading of Villon's Testament to close the middle ages

my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Thursday, 13 February 2014 17:25 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

newyear

xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 February 2014 20:50 (five years ago) link

Seaton's version of Cold Mountain Poems.

Aimless, Friday, 28 February 2014 20:52 (five years ago) link

read a.e. housman's 'a shropshire lad' on my kindle a few weeks ago. uneven but some great stuff.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 28 February 2014 21:15 (five years ago) link

rereading Walcott after all the attention over the new collected poems.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 February 2014 21:20 (five years ago) link

i read goethe and herrick, felt very leisured and cultured

j., Saturday, 1 March 2014 00:59 (five years ago) link

like an Englishman in 1841.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 March 2014 01:00 (five years ago) link

xp ya Housman's great, seems underappreciated (maybe due to the conservatism of his forms?) but the books qua books hold together really well

my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Saturday, 1 March 2014 21:05 (five years ago) link

Housman attracted such immoderate adulation in his day that there had to be a reaction against him for a time. Now it's safe to dust him off and put him back into his niche.

Aimless, Saturday, 1 March 2014 21:09 (five years ago) link

Aimless I forget, are you a UK poster?

my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Sunday, 2 March 2014 02:15 (five years ago) link

that Shambhala Editions Cold Mountain Poems has caught my eye many times in B&N without my ever buying it... I've put so much effort into learning to appreciate european poetry these past few years, it's made me very reluctant to explore other traditions, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time

my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Sunday, 2 March 2014 02:18 (five years ago) link

I post from Oregon, USA, where I've lived about 57 of my 59 years. But when you love literature and are a monoglot in English, you learn to love English lit.

Aimless, Sunday, 2 March 2014 02:53 (five years ago) link

newyear

― xyzzzz__, Friday, February 28, 2014 8:50 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wow

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 19:41 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

At the moment, I've been dipping into my copy of Padraic Colum's poetry, titled Poems, a late compilation that does not identify itself as a 'collected poems of'. Padraic can't be described as anything but a "minor poet", but he had a nice touch when he keeps his loftier ambitions in check. Methinks the mere existence of Yeats lifted the work of every Irish poet well above what they could have achieved without him.

Just before that I was paddling around in the poetry of Stevie Smith and in doing so I decided to remove her from my shelves and sell her off during my next selling spree. A few of her early poems have charm, but her charms are very rapidly exhausted.

Aimless, Thursday, 20 March 2014 16:12 (five years ago) link

yknow, i think i would really enjoy a history of american poetry whose driving narrative was basically repetitions of

'i am the poet of america!!!'

'no you're not fukk u'

j., Thursday, 20 March 2014 22:30 (five years ago) link

america's one true poet was t.s. eliot iirc

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 20 March 2014 22:34 (five years ago) link

FITE!

Aimless, Thursday, 20 March 2014 22:43 (five years ago) link

rrrr tom you know me TOO WELL fukk u

no you know what ts eliot was the one true poet of 20th c. britannia and after that you guys have been up shit's creek, no bard to sing your songs, how does it feel

j., Thursday, 20 March 2014 23:01 (five years ago) link

i mean we got like. geoffrey hill and shit, i dunno

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 20 March 2014 23:43 (five years ago) link

rereading an old Helen Vendler collection published in the late seventies. Essays on Moore, Merrill, Stevie Smith, Lowell, Stevens, and Gluck.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 March 2014 23:47 (five years ago) link

and, like, carol ann duffy

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 20 March 2014 23:47 (five years ago) link

all bases covered, is what i'm saying

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 20 March 2014 23:47 (five years ago) link

Her Dickinson essay is one of the most lucid things about her I've read.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 01:34 (four years ago) link

I can't read Rich after 1980 :(

Is this like a poetry after Auschwitz thing? What happened in 1980?

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:04 (four years ago) link

Her verse collapsed into well-meaning doggerel.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:09 (four years ago) link

its funny i met someone recently who's reading her from the present day backwards, and i'm sure we must have very different impressions

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:31 (four years ago) link

I got an affection for the first collections of poets like Rich, Berryman, Merrill.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 03:07 (four years ago) link

What do y'all think of John Hollander and Anthony Hecht?

Eternal Return To Earth (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 August 2015 03:13 (four years ago) link

I like Hecht's monologues and Holocaust poems. None of the postwar formalists compare with Merrill imo.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 03:18 (four years ago) link

Fair enough. A recent favorite of mine has been August Kleinzahler. I came across one of his poems entitled "A History of Western Music" and never looked back. His memoir is really good too.

Eternal Return To Earth (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 August 2015 03:28 (four years ago) link

Okay, please to inform where to start with Merrill.

Eternal Return To Earth (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 August 2015 03:33 (four years ago) link

james merrill: c/d, s/d

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 15:42 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

just found this thread!

poems i've been reading a lot over the past couple of weeks:

paz - certainty
rilke - archaic torso of apollo
jarell - 90 north
wc williams - a love song
verlaine - clair de lune

elizabeth willis a bit, that nyrb poets volume
and wcw 'paterson' intermittently
and a touch of baudelaire

j., Friday, 2 September 2016 02:06 (three years ago) link

rilke - archaic torso of apollo
A favorite. I had a screen name based on it for a while that used when I started an ILB thread which is still on the ILB New Answers list.

Planking Full Stop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2016 02:10 (three years ago) link

it's quickly become a favorite of mine as well. i intend to make a post about it in a thread treeship started a month or so ago, after my exam tomorrow :o

also -- recently learned that WCW was a physician!

Wordsworth for the first time in two decades.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 September 2016 02:18 (three years ago) link

also -- recently learned that WCW was a physician!

True. He also encouraged Robert Coles to go into medicine. Who was friends with Walker Percy who had a medical degree but never practiced.

Planking Full Stop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2016 02:31 (three years ago) link

i'm just always impressed when a physician is able to be world-class at something else. who has the time!

A good friend of mine had a theory that the kind of writing and thinking required by the legal profession made it very difficult to produce good prose

Planking Full Stop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2016 03:52 (three years ago) link

...whereas a medical career had no such side effect. Chekhov!

Planking Full Stop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 September 2016 03:53 (three years ago) link

Although Voltaire was a lawyer. Haven't read anything long form by him though, just some quotable bon mots.

Under the Zing of Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 00:48 (three years ago) link

his prose is pretty... re-Volt-ing ;~P

flopson, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:06 (three years ago) link

He did write an epic poem intended to rival the Iliad and the Aeneid called La Henriade whilst imprisoned in the Bastille.

Under the Zing of Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 September 2016 14:25 (three years ago) link

well what else are ya gonna do

j., Wednesday, 7 September 2016 02:16 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

charles wright's 'homage to paul cézanne' is wonderful. i liked how he described the process of writing it here:

I was doing a lot of looking at Cézanne’s paintings, and I’d been thinking about Cézanne a lot at that time. … I thought that certain painterly techniques – which is to say, using stanzas and lines the way painters sometimes use color and form – might be interesting. … So I worked on this poem not knowing how the poem was going to go. I thought it was going to be about ten sections. I knew it was going to be about Cézanne by the time I’d finished the first one. Not about Cézanne himself, but about the process of painting. I knew it was going to be nonlinear. I was going to write sections where each had to do with each other, but not consecutively or linearly. …

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/s_z/c_wright/homage.htm

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 February 2019 06:46 (seven months ago) link

does anyone else have southern cross? i guess cézanne is the opening poem, with a page devoted to each of its 8 sections, 16 lines each. southern cross is the closing poem, and i think i actually came across it a long time ago, but have forgotten it

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 February 2019 06:55 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Any recommendations for essential poetry/poets from like the Renaissance through the late 18th Century? Assuming I'm aware of the big names from the period in question (and I've been firmly entrenched in post-1770 lit for the last six months so I'm well sorted from there on).

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 15:53 (six months ago) link

Taking big names as Spenser, Donne, Milton, Dryden, Pope… then Skelton, enjoying Fulke Greville a lot at the moment… actually that reminds me - here's a list from the time thomp asked me to list my top 25 c17th poets
Michael Robbins - Alien Vs. Predator (nb this book of poems is not about aliens, predators or their conflicts)
Before that… I'll repeat John Skelton, Wyatt, the Scottish Makars (Robert Henryson in particular), Campion, Southwell maybe.
Always say that the Penguin Book of Renaissance Verse is a great anthology.
After 1700 - Swift, Christopher Smart (stick to Jubilate Agno)… then I'm honestly a bit hesitant to recommend mid-late c18th stuff. It's a bit of an acquired or academic taste. I can read Collins, Gray etc, but they don't inspire me to proselytise. Things pick up with Cowper, but if you've been going in post-1770 you'll have run into him.

woof, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:37 (six months ago) link

Wow, that is a far more expansive and helpful response than I could've hoped for. Thank you!

Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:43 (six months ago) link

No prob!
And a postscript - that Michael Robbins thread reminded me he's just edited a selection of Margaret Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle's poetry for NYRB books. I should look at it - if I ever knew her verse, I've forgotten it, but The Blazing World is one of the great strange sort-of-novels of the c17th and she is fascinating.

woof, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 17:53 (six months ago) link

John Hollander I'm reading now.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 18:02 (six months ago) link

I've just discovered this thread. I like Hollander's criticism but I've not read his poetry. Where to begin?

I've been reading a bit of Les Murray and trying to ignore his more, ah, buffoonish commentary. Last Hellos is quite a thing.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 16 March 2019 23:15 (six months ago) link


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