i can't go on digging roses from your graves / to linger on beyond the beyond / where the willows weep / and the whirlpools sleep / you'll find me / the coarse tide reflects sky
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 2 January 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
adore has some of corgan's best singing for sure, even if he's mixed too high on certain songs ('crestfallen')
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 2 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
I always thought "Pug" was one of the fan favorites on this record but GUESS NOT
― billstevejim, Friday, 3 January 2014 19:13 (ten years ago) link
the arising version is so much better imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17mQBZkho0k
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 3 January 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
adore reissue is apparently 4 cds and a dvd
huh
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
Works for me! :-D
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
the only time i became the kind of person who downloads live bootlegs was for adore-era shows so i'm psyched for that dvd
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
Totally buying this
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
the only time I saw them live was touring for this album and the show was fucking massive
― SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
who was the drummer for those shows? Kenny Aronoff? was he actually a good fit?
― some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:05 (ten years ago) link
yes and yeah actually he was. i was mostly attracted to how much they changed "tonight tonight" and "stumbleine" for that tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyxb18ugWrE
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:27 (ten years ago) link
He was fucking amazing IMO
― SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
also I'd forgotten which song "Pug" is and wtf how did it get zero votes
― SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
mike garson on piano too iirc
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
for the adore tour i mean
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
Yeah it's a wonderful lineup. Only 90s Pumpkins tour I missed fully, but they just played once in LA and I think I was out of town or something. They did an Atlanta live broadcast and that's been the bootleg that's circulated the most, great stuff. Been digging through my collection as part of a digital library cleanup and good heavens do I have a lot of demos from around then; I assume they'll be cherry picking that like mad for the reissue. (When it comes time for Machina in full that'll have to be...I dunno, something like 6 CDs at least?)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
Anyway Brad do you have a press release for Adore or is this just reissue details rumor?
Classic Wikipedia LOLs, in that we get classic Corgan LOLs:
Corgan initially blamed fans for the failure, then himself, saying that he "made the mistake of telling people it was a techno record" and that if he "would have told everyone Adore was the Pumpkins' acoustic album we would have never had the problems that we had." By the end of 1998, Corgan, who would later call the making of Adore "one of the most painful experiences of my life", was already writing material for the band's next album, and Jimmy Chamberlin was readmitted into the band.
Can't wait for the liner notes for THIS one.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Billy/status/423328108393922560
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link
(When it comes time for Machina in full that'll have to be...I dunno, something like 6 CDs at least?)
it's the one i'm most looking forward to if they go for it and do a hybridized tracklisting of 1 and 2
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link
fyi I am relistening to this album right now and goddamn goddamn
― SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
/(When it comes time for Machina in full that'll have to be...I dunno, something like 6 CDs at least?)/it's the one i'm most looking forward to if they go for it and do a hybridized tracklisting of 1 and 2
They better! And thanks for the Billy link.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link
i also wonder what machina 1/2 is going to sound like, since as far as i know they were recorded separately/differently. the only machina 2 songs that were released in full machina overproduction mode were "speed kills" and "here's to the atom bomb"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2H1y755PQk
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
for some reason it's killing me that Billy Corgan's Twitter is "@Billy"
― Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Thursday, 16 January 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
I like your new screen name, al
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 January 2014 01:34 (ten years ago) link
Billy Corgan got the twitter handle @billy???
― LimbsKing, Thursday, 16 January 2014 04:44 (ten years ago) link
Probably paid someone good money for it.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 16 January 2014 18:39 (ten years ago) link
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/216789/thumbs/s-BILLY-JOEL-HELMET-large.jpg
― balls, Thursday, 16 January 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
We finally have reissue tracklisting. And a Billy rant.
http://m.pitchfork.com/news/54960-billy-corgan-lashes-out-at-amazon-for-leaking-the-smashing-pumpkins-adore-reissue-tracklist/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link
mono edition !?
is this a SP thing where the albums are actually wanted by the fans in mono ?
― mark e, Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
maybe Billy or someone saw the reissues of Beatles and Stones albums that were actually originally released in mono and decided that that's what '90s albums bloated with overdubs needed after all
― some dude, Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
the lp of adore was mixed in mono, it's kind of neat
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link
wait, matt walker of all ppl is remixing specific tracks for this thing?
"of all ppl" i guess he drummed on the record but still, odd
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
did not know that.kinda weird for the kind of group SP are ..
― mark e, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
If you narrow "Adore" down to 10 songs, it's a concise, complete album without the Corganian excess. The bloat made sense on Mellon Collie, not so much here:
1. To Sheila2. Ava Adore3. Perfect4. Daphne Descends5. Once Upon a Time6. Pug7. The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete8. Behold! The Night Mare9. For Martha10. Blank Page
Although I guess we could argue endlessly on which 10 songs it should be.
― LimbsKing, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
yeah man you cut out "appels and oranjes," that's not core
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
i also think "once in a while" should actually be on this album (and for some reason the super deluxe edition only includes a demo of it?), i just don't know where it would fit
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWCw43Mdgw8
think matt cameron did the drums on this, they're gorgeous
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link
it's just like, why did he have to wear a pirate shirt and a Gaultier in the video for the first single?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 26 July 2014 19:31 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDo7FE4Mm14
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 11 August 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
Yay rock
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 August 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
i swear i've heard this before somewhere but i guess i didn't remember everything about it. what surprised me most is how well it would actually fit into the adore tracklisting despite being more sunlit than the rest of it
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 11 August 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link
sounds just like i expected. great song, should've been on adore
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 11 August 2014 21:15 (nine years ago) link
Great track.
Reminds me of "Untitled" from the 2001 greatest hits comp... like, why wasn't this on Machina, it's betetr than most of it.
― LimbsKing, Monday, 11 August 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
Yeah it's been a longtime favorite of mine since it crawled out in 99/00 or whenever it was (I know I have a few live versions around, including an Adore tour one).
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 August 2014 22:26 (nine years ago) link
"Untitled" is better than anything on Machina but I don't think it would have fit in on that album. It was a fleeting yet fully refreshing return to their early sound.
― lol on hoosly (crüt), Monday, 11 August 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
"Untitled" is better than anything on Machina
:|
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
i mean most of machina is ruined by impenetrable goopy production. i don't think "untitled" is a better song than "with every light," "glass and the ghost children," "i of the mourning," "the imploding voice," "try try try," "the everlasting gaze," even "raindrops + sunshowers," a demo of which just leaked on netphoria. it's awesome, and shows how a lot of these songs aren't inherently obnoxious, it's the insane way they were released.
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 04:10 (nine years ago) link
"untitled" is still really dated sounding, and not early 90s like everyone + billy says, the production is so early 2000's. the melody is sort of siamese dream-ish? but it just sounds like a sparser machina song to me
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 04:11 (nine years ago) link
I do like "I Of The Mourning."
― crüt, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 04:13 (nine years ago) link