he's made lovey-dovey eyes at his leading men before cept now he's doing it with his teeth
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:05 (ten years ago) link
hill was great (shit, everyone was - margot robbie esp) though i wonder if he'll ever outgrow the gay-baiting improv
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:07 (ten years ago) link
Robbie's tease bit was the only thing I remembered she did, but then I like blonde men.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:08 (ten years ago) link
funny that edelstein brings up martin sheen but forgets to mention rob reiner's father figure entirely. reiner calls out how obscene it is, advises his son to be smart, but doesn't pull some pious "i made my money the honest capitalist way" shit - he knows how money works.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:12 (ten years ago) link
martin sheen in wall street, to be clear.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:13 (ten years ago) link
the father in this movie was great
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:13 (ten years ago) link
when leo's telling him about the whores
Reiner swearing and shouting was at J-Law levels of unbelievability. Another run at his bit in Bullets Over Broadway.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link
rare is the ilxor that should be calling a huffy pretentious equalizer fan absurd
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
so awesome that martin can still scare fuddies with excessive dark humor only now the fuddies are twenty plus years younger than him
I hated it because its dark humour scared me?
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:17 (ten years ago) link
def scared edelstein and zacharek - don't think i scrolled up to whatever your issue was so don't take it personal
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:18 (ten years ago) link
da croup, my man.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:22 (ten years ago) link
I think its fine to disagree with Edelstein, but he praises Taxi Driver and Goodfellas, and says the worst parts of Wall Street come from Martin Sheen. "Thumpingly insipid" doesn't really translate as cowering from the film's hard truths.
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:24 (ten years ago) link
if you're going to assume i read what you wrote 2 days ago you can see the stuff i quoted of edelstein several minutes ago. he says the martin sheen stuff was bad but only because it wasn't nuanced enough ("Obviously, he or she shouldn’t — that clumsily). he still wants the voice of morality, still wants to know What Scorsese Thinks (Which Better Be That These Guys Are Bad) and missed the corollary father figure that scorsese provided that suggests what he thinks (probably along the lines of "these guys are sociopathic idiots but man....i miss quaaludes")
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:29 (ten years ago) link
again, you're free to be bored by 3 hours of "OMG WE GOT SO RICH WE GOT SO HIGH" but critics who take it to "scorsese b-b-but do you LIKE these people? how COULD you?" need to get over themselves.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:34 (ten years ago) link
seemed so obvious to me that he despises these people and thats what led to the lack of nuance
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:36 (ten years ago) link
eh it's a comedy, i wasn't mad when the zucker bros revealed they didn't respect Airport either
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:36 (ten years ago) link
i dont think its impossible to make a subtle depiction of people you hate just in this case it didnt happen
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
i dont know if its even subtlety exactly that was lacking, they just like werent that intersting
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:39 (ten years ago) link
i'm just saying i'm not mad this was a 3 hour cynical comedy about greedy monster people instead of a 3 hour subtle, nuanced depiction of greedy monster people
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:40 (ten years ago) link
but yeah, not for everybody
I did read your excerpts, and I think you're misrepresenting the review. I can't see how anyone who understands the visceral power of Taxi Driver, which Edelstein does (I don't remember any voice of morality in Taxi Driver) could be scared by The Wolf of Wall Street. "To make The Wolf of Wall Street, Scorsese has had to empty out his head and pound his chest." Again, you may not agree with his appraisal of the film, but calling for some kind of guiding intelligence isn't the same as calling for a voice of morality.
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:40 (ten years ago) link
especially past the three leads the rest of the characters were like cardboard cutouts
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:40 (ten years ago) link
except maybe the dad
and judging from the reviews there are def some subtleties people are missing
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:41 (ten years ago) link
i dont think the message or formal filmic things were necessarily unsubtle, just the characters and plotting didnt pop for me man, idk w/e it was cool but it couldve been cooler
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link
edelstein's gripe seems like a version of ts eliot's gripe about Hamlet lacking an "objective correlative" (ie, a measuring stick for figuring out just what Ham's whole deal is). of course that lack is precisely the thing which makes the play so infinitely fascinating.
― ryan, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link
like I've written already it's obvious Scorsese doesn't like them, it's just too long and I too recently resaw Sharon Stone in drug psychosis in Casino.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:46 (ten years ago) link
David Edelstein and T.S. Eliot, fighting in the captain's tower.
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:46 (ten years ago) link
― ryan, Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the shots of the suicided guy and the the subway and maybe all the fbi guy stuff in his humble office i think were supposed to fulfill that function as someone m/l said upthread
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:47 (ten years ago) link
the father in this movie was great Meathead
my objections to the movie have nothing to do w/ any suspicions that MS and Leo "like" Belfort. Dozens of scenes wander on endlessly.I might've liked the Quaaludes episode if it came at a point in the film where I wasn't already praying for it to end, but just as "cartoonlike" popped into my head, he crosscuts to Popeye on the TV. The light touch.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:54 (ten years ago) link
so uh, is Jordan Belfort Jewish? bcz elderly Rob Reiner is a bigger signifier of Jewishness than Mel Brooks.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:00 (ten years ago) link
lol at morbs - 'wait the dad's an accountant and the son's a stockbroker - gotta be jews right?'
― balls, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:02 (ten years ago) link
Jordan Belfort is Jewish.
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
RR sounds like a Borscht Belt comic, fuckface. xp
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:05 (ten years ago) link
it is kinda weird to think that this schmuck has inspired two movies now, it's not like his story is so amazing it needs several takes, he's not amy fisher.
― balls, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:07 (ten years ago) link
his book is prob just one of those things where you read it and are all wow so cinimatic
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
Hill and DiCaprio are the Leopold + Loeb of penny ante financial scams.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
boiler room's so fictionalized that who knows who is who but i'd like to think vin diesel and jonah hill played the same guy.
― balls, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:09 (ten years ago) link
i guess it was leos thing, he owned the rights and had been wanting to make it for a while then roped marty in
i use their nicknames cause im in leos entorage
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:10 (ten years ago) link
we do get to see the 'consequences' so we get to actually see confirmation that these asshole stockbrokers that are basically stealing normal ppl's money are in fact bad guys. like in wolf of wall street who knows, maybe belfort ripped off a bunch of child molesters, we have no way of knowing, the movie's too ambiguous.
― balls, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:11 (ten years ago) link
it seems like the only reason scorsese still makes movies is because leo finds something and pushes it on him
― Hungry4Ass, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:12 (ten years ago) link
its true i think about the child molesters
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:12 (ten years ago) link
― balls, Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:11 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol
― Hungry4Ass, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:13 (ten years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/5/2/1367493269846/David-Blaine-001.jpg
lagoon earlier today
― balls, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:13 (ten years ago) link
lol xp
im being so misconstrued itt, its not fair
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:13 (ten years ago) link
sending Kyle Chandler to talk to you on your yacht, lag.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:18 (ten years ago) link
It was said up thread but that yacht scene was just, wow: from genial jousting to GET THE FUCK OFF MY YACHT
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:21 (ten years ago) link
im just an honest appreciatior of film who likes fleshed out multidimensional characters decisive plotting
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:22 (ten years ago) link