The Wolf of Wall Street (new Scorsese)

margin call was a cool movie, fwiw i dont really mean i needed lots of financial exposition or w/e just that the wolf of ws just didnt feel like it really existed anywhere there was not much revealing detail of any sort character wise or environment or w/e
it was just kinda spinning around in this wacky ass limbo, which admittedly was hilarious and fun but something about it just felt like it wouldve been more engaging w a lil more irl or something

first person to say that was the whole point i disagree and furthermore i dont like you

no way karen hill pulls a move like robbie standing in that doorway. which btw if anyone has a screencap of that to help me illustrate my point it would be much appreciated.

Robbie Robertson?

In the end credits but not in the scene, I'm guessing. Between this and "Ladies of Tampa", Matthew McC's fit to tour.

Karen Hill has moments of complexity, like when she takes the gun from Henry after he pistol-whips her neighbor, or the look in her eye as she tries to take in the immensity of her wedding. If Naomi had a second dimension beyond blonde bombshell, I missed it.

You're right. Jonah Hill played Karen Hill.

key to understanding naomi is after the first and the last time leo fucks her

jonah hill was tommy but ultimately no where near as charismatic. i mean at least tommy was funny, the way he'd tell a story.

lol

i think the film should have spent at least a few minutes explaining/depicting how a pump and dump works, there was only one reference to brokers ignoring clients' calls iirc

Another great moment: the elation/horror of watching that woman shave her head. You can watch her pitiful emotions shifting from humiliation to humor and back to humiliation ... until they hand her $10,000K and she forgets all about her hair.

the low angle shot of her sitting in the chair while the men act like animals was a crushing moment

And yeah, we've seen this movie before, but not in the way we'd seen "Casino" before. One thing I appreciated about this movie is the same stuff others might complain about, that Leo's character is so selfish, and self-interested, that everything else falls by the wayside. So the FBI investigation proceeds, but on deep background. We get glimmers of what Naomi is like, but not much, because Leo's character barely acknowledges her himself when she's not in the same room.

Some more cool stuff: the occasional mind-reading gags, the aspect ratio/film type changes, the way it just cuts to the chase with the sex and drugs and rise to power. The flash horrific cut of that guy's suicide midway through. Oh, and yeah, again, the Jimmy Castor Bunch.

I thought the relationship between Leo and Jonah reminded me of the twisted relationship between Greg Kinnear and Willem Dafoe in "Auto Focus."

Oh, and the double punchlines of Leo strapped to the chair and also the FBI bust mid-infomercial.

One thing I didn't quite get was the near absence of AIDS from the picture. Lots of hookers (of all stripes) and references to penicillin shots, but given the time period you would have thought the threat of AIDS would have been a real consideration.

Other than the "Mrs. Robinson" cover (which I've always liked), what Graduate references were there, Josh? I guess I was so disheartened by the film they went past me. (When I think about it now, I guess there was a shot of Naomi meant to echo the famous shot of Bancroft with her legs crossed.)

Definitely that shot, but also (implied/echoed) with the (non) seduction of his wife's Aunt (who, of course, "lived through the '60s"). Maybe there's more. Little things.

some testimonials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYXB8crww0I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPU08GnSjx4

Good viewing : http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60318162

oops. Sorry. That's an hour long intvw with Scorsese and DiCaprio on the film.

Worth a read in light of the movie:

http://nymag.com/nymetro/movies/features/2793/

thats great ty

Amazing movie

Spiritual companion to Casino. Best Wahlberg performance of the decade

Well I don't remember Casino too clearly except for the part about stealing hotel toiletries

But the shot at the end of Jordan giving a PUA seminar for Kiwis ======== Shot at end of casino of senior citizens overwhelming Las Vegas

still think the definitive wall st movie hasn't been made yet and that margin call came closer than this

i rescreened 'margin call' a couple of days ago before seeing 'wolf of wall street' and i kinda agree - 'margin call' felt a lot more true to 'what its like to work in finance now', it had a lot of subtle details that i appreciated: the way characters would shift btw using first name and surnames to address other characters, 'how much do you think x makes', the mentalist guy telling demi moore's character 'i'm not sure i do know that' &c &c. not sure all those details added up though in the big picture, i liked margin call a lot but its not a 'good movie' in the same way 'wolf of wall street' is? ego vs id or w/e

anyway i thought this was entertaining but hard to have any thoughts about, really. music was rad though

^ Yeah the part at the beginning with the dwarves, I was like, there's no way Wall St is like this now and then I realized it was a period piece, then I thought I'm glad somebody made a movie about Liar's Poker

Movie about today's wall street is a bunch of quants sitting in a room staring intently at Black Scholes models on three widescreen monitors

Like I was thinking that man, Marty is maybe finally senile, it doesn't work like this anymore

Then I realized it was 1987, and then there was a shot of the strip mall and it was so beautiful

Loved all the period detials in this, those floppy double breasted suits and Bill Blass abstract geometric ties

they still drop 20 gs at dinner tho

Oh sorry just reading the thread through now and raelizing those points have been covered up thread

margin call was a cool movie, fwiw i dont really mean i needed lots of financial exposition or w/e just that the wolf of ws just didnt feel like it really existed anywhere there was not much revealing detail of any sort character wise or environment or w/e
it was just kinda spinning around in this wacky ass limbo, which admittedly was hilarious and fun but something about it just felt like it wouldve been more engaging w a lil more irl or something

first person to say that was the whole point i disagree and furthermore i dont like you

― lag∞n, Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Haha not gonna say that was the whole point but it's a nice sleight of hand to name it The Wolf of Wall Street where the Wall Street part is more like, idk, the hardwood upon which the real performers are tap dancing

The movie's also pretty explicit about setting up these boiler room guys as not having a street number on the proper white shoe Wall Street, they keep on trying to barge onto the scene with the GS and Lehmans but never quite get there

The other part where I thought Marty lost it was when he kept on playing all these Me First & The Gimme Gimme & that cottage industry of pop punk covers of all the songs he would have used if he hadn't already used them all before

i've actually developed a soft spot for marty having lil clue or curiosity about music post-1981 or so beyond shit that reminds him of the clash maybe, when 'everlong' came in i actually chuckled. can actually imagine him cornering jonah hill and playing the lemonheads' 'mrs robinson' and going 'now do you know who originally had a hit w/ this?', not realizing jonah's too young to likely even know who the fuck the lemonheads were.

'heres to you, mrs. robinson'

I always had a soft spot too for Marty's use of "what's the frequency kenneth" and "these are days" as key music cues in bringing out the dead.

Could've been worse; he could have used Ned's Atomic Dustbin and Brad.

Haha I forgot about the Everlong part. That was great xp

About concerns of glamorization, that's a valid point of criticism for sure but narratively it's just being inside the head of that guy from high school who tried to sell you weed that was really oregano, as he tells his life story at your 20th reunion

Like the part in the beginning about the Ferrari being white, not red

Of course he did the most drugs had the biggest yacht had the biggest ragers

can't believe no one's

http://i.imgur.com/vc3zv6Z.jpg

Scorsese's not in love with Belfort's wealth but he's sure in love with dramatizing it.

i wonder if buscemi gets some kind of weird residual from that equalizer episode now

i thought there were mad quants in the 90's??

this movie kinda made me want to go into finance

well thats the thing they were quants but still very angry

-_-

black scholes was created in the 70's, prob used widely throughout 80's and 90's

Yeah I think the 90s saw the rise of the quant, corresponding with the rise of increasingly sophisticated and powerful computers

But it was the era leading up to the crash where quants really began to shine

This is all based on only reading about Wall Street via Michael Lewis

I think Black Sholes was theorized in the 70s but not really put into practice until the 90s

flopson have you ever read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Genius_Failed:_The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Long-Term_Capital_Management

i haven't! only thing i've read on this topic is justin fox myth of the rational market but it's told more from the academic side of things, super good though