Y'all don't need to pretend that I'm opposed to ACA - it's shitty policy but less shitty than what came before. That doesn't mean that as a lower-middle class person I don't feel the pinch, and from a political perspective it's pretty stupid to run with "suck it up."
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 28 December 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link
xpost
here's another take on it from the Canadian Institute for Health Information: https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/Lifetime_distEffects_overview_EN.pdf
they put the average costs at 6% (for lowest earning people) to 8% (for highest earners) of total income.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 28 December 2013 02:44 (ten years ago) link
idk, if I had a disease that'd be exacerbated by my job I might consider a new trade
― mh, Saturday, 28 December 2013 02:50 (ten years ago) link
if the cheapest bronze plan is more than 8% of your income (actually modified AGI), then you are exempt from the penalty
― sarahell, Thursday, 2 January 2014 08:28 (ten years ago) link
<q>they put the average costs at 6% (for lowest earning people) to 8% (for highest earners) of total income.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 27 December 2013 21:44 (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink</q>
Interestingly most developed economies spend about 8% of GDP on healthcare (US runs at about 16%)
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 2 January 2014 08:31 (ten years ago) link
apparently that "prayer as preventative care if you're poor" thing isn't working so well
― mh, Thursday, 2 January 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link
if you don't raise the price of health care, you kenyan you, we're going to force the country to default!
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/paul-ryan-debt-limit-obamacare-insurer-bailout
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
i get that the gop wants to create conditions that will cause obamacare to fail or justify a repeal (and that's the intent behind eliminating the risk-corridor). but what's the gop's articulated policy rationale for proposing the elimination of the risk-corridor, e.g., that it's a tax on insurance companies or that it's an encroachment into business freedom?
― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link
socialism!
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link
benghazi?
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 24 January 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
rationale?
― Le passé, non seulement n'est pas fugace, il reste sur place (Michael White), Friday, 24 January 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
It's not a wholesale conversion. But it's major movement given conservatives' unyielding anti-Obamacare doctrine of the last few years.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/2014-gop-candidates-medicaid-expansion
over/under on when the GOP starts going "we thought of it first, in 1994!"?
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 27 January 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
APPLICANT STATES USES ZUMBA EVERY WEEK AND WANTSTO KNOW IF INSURANCE WILL COVER THAT.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
HHS Reports $380M in Obamacare Savings
http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/hhs-reports-380m-in-obamacare-savings-20140130
not good enough! tax cuts!
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
Obamacare enrollees hit snags at doctor's offices.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 13:57 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/06/business/cvs-plans-to-end-sales-of-tobacco-products-by-october.html?hp&_r=0
A shortage of primary care doctors and expanding access to health care coverage under the Affordable Care Act is turning drugstore chains into big players in the nation’s health care system. Consumers routinely get flu shots in drugstores, for instance, and clinics staffed by nurse practitioners or physician assistants and offering basic care for common ailments like strep throat or pink eye are popping up everywhere from Walgreens to Walmart.A report last year by Accenture predicted such so-called retail clinics were poised to grow at a rate of 25 to 30 percent over the next few years, which would swell the number to 2,800 in 2015, from 1,400 in 2012.CVS’s 800 MinuteClinics already account for most of such outlets, and Mr. Merlo said the company hoped to add another 700 for a total of 1,500 by 2017. For that reason, he said, the decision to stop selling tobacco products “was really more of a discussion about how to position the company for future growth.”
A report last year by Accenture predicted such so-called retail clinics were poised to grow at a rate of 25 to 30 percent over the next few years, which would swell the number to 2,800 in 2015, from 1,400 in 2012.
CVS’s 800 MinuteClinics already account for most of such outlets, and Mr. Merlo said the company hoped to add another 700 for a total of 1,500 by 2017. For that reason, he said, the decision to stop selling tobacco products “was really more of a discussion about how to position the company for future growth.”
― j., Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link
Heard it on the teevee this morning. Bummer - CVS and Walgreens sold the cheapest packs.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
Good. Fuck smokers.
― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link
I do.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, CVS sells cartons for $10-$12 less than gas stations or specialty shops. I keep saying I'm going to move to e-cigs, and now I guess it will be sooner rather than later.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
CVS didn't carry American Spirits anyway, fuck 'em.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
lol
― mh, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
friends of mine who didn't grow up in the u.s. would always marvel at the fact that drugstores sold cigarettes
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
when you think about it, it's... JUUUUUST A LITTLE BIT STRANGE
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
it's cool, we have hard liquor at gas stations/convenience stores now B)
― mh, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link
they should sell cigs everywhere: big-box convenience stores, gas stations, churches, children's daycare centers.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
this is america. we do what we want.
NYT editorial.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
this is ridiculous. the report says there will be 2.5 million fewer full-time workers by 2024, right? so obamacare is a job-killer. period.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
as usual, everyone's assumption is that in the future the # of jobs in the U.S. will just happen to exactly equal the number of adults in the U.S. in reality machines are going to do more and more of the work, the number of full-time jobs will continue to decrease as a % of the population, and we better figure out how to provide a decent safety net for people that used to work in Amazon warehouses moving boxes around but were replaced by Move-a-Tron 4000s
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I'm thinking while it was off on the population density, Soylent Green was only a decade or two off in other respects.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=1828530&utm_source=Silverchair%20Information%20Systems&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=JAMA%3AOnlineFirst02%2F05%2F2014
this was just e-published today, and i think it's free. i think there are some ethical problems with companies refusing to hire smokers -- about which rahm emanuel's brother, ezekiel, has written well iirc -- but i am generally strongly in favor of the rest of the antismoking public health measures. as a pharmacist (though i don't work at a CVS) i have always been strongly opposed to selling tobacco products in pharmacies (actually they're sold up in the front of the store, imo invalidating the least-unconcinving claim by advocates who say that selling them in pharmacies offers them a chance to discuss the issue with a health professional) and i think what CVS is doing is necessary and has been a long time coming
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
and we better figure out how to provide a decent safety net for people that used to work in Amazon warehouses moving boxes around but were replaced
lol that sure seems like an issue that's keeping your legislators and mine up all night
― UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
k3vin, is it true they're looking at getting rid of smoking cessation products, too? not that I have any idea how effective nicotine gum and patches are....
― mh, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
i haven't heard that, and like i said i don't work for CVS, but that wouldn't make any sense
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
in south florida, "vapor" cigarettes (or "e-cigarettes," or whatever they call them) are a huge thing now. they're everywhere.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
are you all futuristic bounty hunters?
― mh, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
yes. wait, no.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
i saw a commercial last night for e-cigs and the general message was 'friends don't let friends smoke cigarettes'that seemed like a very different message than steven dorff on the beach being like "basically i just love to smoke and now i smoke this weird little blue thing"
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
oh god, I listened to a pop radio station last week and they kept having commercials that sounded like they were about the dangers of smoking and, yup, e-cig advertisement
f u e-cig companies
― mh, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:09 (ten years ago) link
I mean, e-cigs seem like a safer option health-wise than cigarettes, but there's really been no research to tell how much safer or to confirm that fact
Opens up new marketing ideas, though:"Eww, beer makes you all fat. Even that so-called light beer!""Here, try this. It doesn't have all the empty calories that beer has. It's called.... vodka"
― mh, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
When filtered cigs came out they were heavily marketed as a 'safer' alternative, which we now know was bollocks, but it made a lot of nervous smokers less anxious about the risk of cancer.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
not much is known about their long-term health risks, and their rise (and the embrace of them by some clinicians) has provoked fierce controversy in public health circles
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1313940
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:56 AM (Yesterday)
Walgreen's does. It's hilarious because the auto-generated "spending statement" my bank provides categorizes all Walgreens purchases as "health" -- I love America.
― sarahell, Thursday, 6 February 2014 08:57 (ten years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/white-house-delays-health-insurance-mandate-for-medium-sized-employers-until-2016/2014/02/10/ade6b344-9279-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html?hpid=z1
As word of the delays spread Monday, many across the ideological spectrum viewed them as an effort by the White House to defuse another health-care controversy before the fall midterm elections. The new postponements won over part, but not all, of the business community. And they caught consumer advocates, usually reliable White House allies, by surprise, particularly because administration officials had already announced in July that the employer requirements would be postponed from this year until 2015.
Congressional Republicans seized on the announcement as the latest justification for scrapping the health-care law. In particular, they renewed their opposition to the law’s requirement that most Americans have insurance, saying it is unfair to delay rules for businesses and not for individuals.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
not an onion headline
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-illinois-onion-obamacare-partnership-20140210,0,4949538.story
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 11 February 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
unexpected demand causes another Florida Health Choices delay. aca at work, and working.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 17 February 2014 04:06 (ten years ago) link
obamacare horror stories: "at some point it’s worth asking whether the apparent difficulty conservatives have finding them suggests that maybe the law isn’t wreaking all the devastation they want you to believe it is"
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/21/are_republicans_even_trying_another_obamacare_horror_story_bites_the_dust/
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 February 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
my job-tied health insurer has turned down my one-year-cancer-anniversary PET scan TWICE now; ACA not really relevant to me w/ this shit.
The letter i got says "you have not been undergoing treatment" (balls).
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 February 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Do you have a friend or family member who can help fight for you on that stuff? When my mom was being treated for leukemia, her insurance tried to deny her coverage for a CAT scan during treatment by claiming for some crazy reason that it was nondiagnostic in nature. Luckily my sister worked at the time in a doctor's office and was able to harangue the insurer over the coding on the bill.
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Friday, 21 February 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link