i roofied your driiiiink
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
Dean Martin version works
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
really guys, sometimes "Don't go" is not a fucking felony
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
ty
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link
This song did inspire one of the great album titles - Baby, It's Cold Inside by The Fun Years
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link
Xp well that's the prob with the word "rapey", like I wouldn't draw any equivalence w rape necessarily but persistently not taking no for an answer comes off as fuckin douchey (if its tom jones)
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
Michael Buble is the litmus test
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
Bauble is always douchey no
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
Syria, kinda genocidey
― tbd (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
yeah it's true, dude could make jingle bells sound gross
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:46 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Honestly I think whether the person "not taking no for an answer" is being "douchey" or "rapey" or "persistent" is a call for the person saying no to make, not you.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
i.e. in each respective situation
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
It's one of those rare duets, maybe less rare in musicals than pop music, where the two singers are actually arguing or at least opposing each other.
― tbd (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link
Hurting these are fictional ppl I get to make the call
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:01 (ten years ago) link
And maybe it comes down to how its played, I will lol forever at that movie where dude spends the entire running time wheedling to get doris day to put out, because doris day is awesome
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:04 (ten years ago) link
'lol baby it's cold outside is rapey' is kinda the xmas carol version of 'lol my fave xmas movie is die hard'
― balls, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
1) It's not a "Holiday Song" by any stretch of the imagination. It's a winter song, and the only holiday in it is the slow cooption of anything and everything wintery by Winter Consumerfest.
2) "Rapey". Although I can understand the problems with this specific word, I do think that there is the need for a non-dismissive, non-cutesy, non-trivialising word for saying "things which are not (yet) rape in a legal or moral sense, but are still: similar to rape; contributing to rape culture; or disregarding consent and agency in a way which indicates rape is a distinct possibility."
With this song, written as words on a page, it is almost impossible to tell whether it is "rapey" or not. So much depends on the context (is this an artefact of 1950s morality, or a modern re-reading of something which was then innocent but is now not innocent, or an entirely modern setting which is completely suspect) and the delivery. I have certainly heard versions where it's almost entirely clear to the listener that both parties are engaging in mutually consensual flirtation. I've heard versions where I pretty much want to call the cops to report a rape in progress. Language has changed since the song was written ("Roofies in the drink" is an almost entirely modern construction) and social mores have changed to the point where I'm not even sure *I* can get into the mindset of the woman ("mouse"?) in the song.
However, the whole process of examining the song, the ambivalent lyrics, pouring over every ambiguous line with a microscope to determine if she really is "totally up for it and just being coy because women in the 1950s are not allowed to express sexual desire" or "being drugged or pressured into sex" due clues in their tone and body language - that *process* makes me feel very uncomfortable, and to me, feels "rapey" in the "sustaining or contributing to rape culture" sense. I am prepared to accept that there may be a totally innocent, flirty 1950s reading of the song, where "what's in this drink?" just means "is this vermouth or gin?" But sorting through the reactions of a woman who says "I said no" one moment and "what is this magic spell..." the next and trying to work out consent from those cues, as opposed to just asking "are you into it?" - that is exactly describing rape culture. So I'm voting "rapey".
― The Manics: Very Welsh, Much Working Class, So cialist (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
yep this is my least favorite christmas controversy for like 6 years running now
― Wendy Carlos Williams (jjjusten), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
intersting
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link
This is the first Christmas anyone has even asked me the question.
― The Manics: Very Welsh, Much Working Class, So cialist (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link
I think the fact that the girl at the end cheerfully says "baby it's cold outside," (i.e. "ok, I'll stay,") makes it pretty obvious that the song is not "rapey," not to mention that most of her protests are like "what will the neighbors think" kind of stuff. Even having to read it this closely to make the point makes me die inside a little.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
die hard is a fine christmas movie.
― how's life, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
Taking an ILX question at face value, and answering it seriously, when everyone else is ~so over~ ever having to think about the issue ever again, what on earth was I thinking.
― The Manics: Very Welsh, Much Working Class, So cialist (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
Just kidding! I missed you guys.
― The Manics: Very Welsh, Much Working Class, So cialist (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
Actually, no, I think reading Godel Escher Bach is starting to look a hell of a lot more appealing right now, yes, I really am bored enough to try and catch up the chapter I missed yesterday.
― The Manics: Very Welsh, Much Working Class, So cialist (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
All winter songs become holiday songs by association xxxxpost
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
hey i cant help it that i am apparently at the cutting edge of "people finding things to complain about" culture
― Wendy Carlos Williams (jjjusten), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
generally agree with bb above. i don't know this song, don't have a problem with "rapey" unless men are using it (something "the lady doth protest too much" about it) and feel like it's good shorthand for gendered power dynamics because it actually has some leverage in territory that usually doesn't and gets attention, get annoyed when other men get annoyed at "rapey" and huff about "the legal definition of rape" rmde
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
you know what? dudes getting reactionary and butthurt about this stuff is sooo fucking lame. you all should man up and find something constructive to do with your time.
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
Oh noes, I am a Cis-Het dude being made to think about rape for the whole sixth time in my life, DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP. Why don't they ever shut up.
― The Manics: Very Welsh, Much Working Class, So cialist (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
haha exactly
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link
or "this harmless song does not deserve to be destroyed by u politically correct feminists, i'm liberal but we can't go too far this is madness" guess what there's a lot more than your harmless joyful song that can and ought to be talked about i hope you're up for it, if not then just ignore cuz shutting it down with mansputtering is pathetic at best
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
"man up"
― Mmm yes hello (crüt), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_F0zP9usU
― even the beatles had a coinstar machine in their living room (Crabbits), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
i think it's more 'trivializing rape to get standup didja ever notice lulz' is not only disgusting but tiresome but have fun daniel tosh, it's xmas
― balls, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 17:58 (ten years ago) link
imo a little humor however tired is a legitimate way to try and make inroads with a topic like "this song is kinda disturbing and indicative of this bad thing" especially when your view is the unpopular disenfranchised one with the bigger burden of proof.
― From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
daniel tosh, feminist
― balls, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
matt p you must be a big fan of that mastodon t-shirt
rohypnol didn't really come into use until the 1970s. I don't know if there was some other easily available equivalent date rape drug at the time this song was written, fwiw. I think in context the most obvious reading of "what's in this drink" is a playful one. I really, really think the other reading is a stretch. I am going over and over it to see if there is something I'm missing here.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
― balls, Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:05 PM (1 hour ago)
ugh so otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
ppl who think this song is creepy will probably drop dead if they ever hear rod stewart's 'tonight's the night.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
rohypnol didn't really come into use until the 1970s. I don't know if there was some other easily available equivalent date rape drug at the time this song was written, fwiw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Finn_%28drugs%29
Sharing mostly bcz I coincidentally looked this up last night and thought the origin was surprising: "The Mickey Finn is most likely named for the manager and bartender of a Chicago establishment, the Lone Star Saloon and Palm Garden Restaurant, which operated from 1896 to 1903 in the city's South Loop neighborhood on South State Street.[2][3] In December 1903, several Chicago newspapers document that a Michael "Mickey" Finn managed the Lone Star Saloon and was accused of using knockout drops to incapacitate and rob some of his customers."
― even the beatles had a coinstar machine in their living room (Crabbits), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:23 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug#Alcohol
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
it is funny that the original was edgy just a bit of fun humor (that amps up as the song progresses), precisely the kind of thing you would routinely drag out at the end of parties (w/ the added benefit of it being a way to tell yr guests 'alright, time to leave') which is apparently what it was for years for loesser and his wife. first 'public' performance was mae west and rock hudson, i'm wondering how many ppl fully got the joke there.
― balls, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, December 24, 2013 1:24 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OIC, the answer to "what's in this drink" is secretly "alcohol" shh
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link
― even the beatles had a coinstar machine in their living room (Crabbits), Tuesday, December 24, 2013 1:23 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I also googled "slip a mickey" fwiw. I don't think it was commonly used the way roofies are, but I could be wrong?
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
xp plying a woman with mystery cocktail of unknown strength in order to manipulate her into sleeping with you doesn't strike you as a bit
― sad banta (wins), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
Also even if so, I think the line pretty clearly comes off in context as her being sly, not "I literally think you may have drugged me"
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
this is my favorite christmas song. is the ella/louis version for sure the best version ever or are there others that are possibly better?
― Mordy , Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
also, this is not one of those threads where matt p is killing it, unfortunately
this is Satan's big day
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
xxxp That meme would also work well with an iconic Duvall/Nicholson still from The Shining.
― quinn morgendorffer stan account (morrisp), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
there should be more psychotic Christmas songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz5kHC0g9HQ
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
Simply... having... a murderous Christmastime
― tempted by the fruit of your mother (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
Last ChristmasI cut out your heart
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
Jingle Hell
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
All I want for Christmas is your two front teeth
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
I fell for you last Christmas When I saw you from afarI'd like to cut your boobs offAnd keep them in a jar.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
https://images.genius.com/3b3335e86b69365e407ffae2370c161d.600x600x1.jpg
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
silent night, deadly night has nothing on that album cover
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
I saw Mommy disemboweling Santa Claus...
― tempted by the fruit of your mother (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 November 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
she didn't hear me creep down the stairs to take a peekand now I'm really fucked up and I can't get back to sleep
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Friday, 8 November 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
I fixed #BabyItsColdOutside.In this version she ignores his entreaties to stay and heads on out. Turns out there WERE no cabs to be had out there, it WAS up to her knees out there, and her frozen body is found the next day.Everybody happy now?— Just Bill (@WilliamAder) November 4, 2019
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:00 (four years ago) link
Ted Bundy possibly
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Saturday, 9 November 2019 05:02 (four years ago) link
xp No offense, I'm happy now.
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 November 2019 14:44 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVz6TCT5Bjs
It's back, sped up and inverted. Feliz Navidad!
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link
^That's from 2012... but I bet we will get a "clever" COVID-themed rewrite from someone this year.
― bagel in the streets, donut in the sheets (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
I really can't stayPlease stay six feet away
― eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link
My money is on that family that did the pajama rap. I know the husband did his "hilarious" take a few years ago, but surely this is low hanging fruit for them.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
D'oh! Saw news of candy cane vinyl with a link to this song, so thought it was a new release. Haven't been following them for years (obv).
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link
Baby it's Cov'd Outside
fucker writes itself
― Notes on "Scamp" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
Say what's in this drink?
Hydroxychloroquine
― I wish you luck with a capital F (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
Is it me, or does this thread revive seem to come earlier every year?
― enochroot, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 00:51 (three years ago) link
Please pull down your mask (Why would you even ask?)There’s no need to hide (It’s not about pride)I’ll stay by your side (“...If I got pneumonia and died”?)I know I won’t see you laterWhen I’m hooked up to a ventilator(Both:) So, baby, let’s stay inside
― bagel in the streets, donut in the sheets (morrisp), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link
stay two metres awaaay
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
or six feet (USA)
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link
its not officially the holiday season until my facebook feed is filled with people who ride for Michael Jackson and TI busting out the handclap emojis to post about how THIS-SONG-IS-NOT-OK!
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
balls has the most otm post itt
― eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link
eh, silly that this has become such a thing to have such an ardent take on.
― DT, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link
Relitigate
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Sunday, 11 December 2022 18:58 (one year ago) link