Mama Can't Buy You Love: The Official ILM Track-By-Track ELTON JOHN 1978-1988 Listening Thread

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this is the worst EJ vocal performance i have ever heard. what the hell?

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link

A couple behind

I really like A Single Man, the lyrics whatever but his vocals are really beautiful on that track

this Return to Paradise though. What the effing hell. He sounds AWFUL.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link

we got a lot of awful coming up

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link

I'm ready

...

i think

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link

hey, this is more like it. Lyrically inane (Gary Osborne, the temporary Bernie T. replacement, can't even get his poor man's lament schtick straight: "more heat than I can use?" not really something to complain about?) and it's crying out for a single edit like no one's business, but it's got a good rhythmic interplay with Elton's piano playing, the strings (Paul Buckmaster in the vein of Thom Bell) and the chorus vocals.

col, Saturday, 14 December 2013 14:34 (ten years ago) link

from the People cover above: "He's given up touring and those nutty glasses---but not lasses!" Whew! Got scared for a moment. Ironic headline juxtaposition: "Cocaine in Hollywood"

col, Saturday, 14 December 2013 14:37 (ten years ago) link

ugh I can't get with this. It's a simulacrum of joy. "I don't care" indeed.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 14:41 (ten years ago) link

'juxtaposition'
I wonder what the story was with the lumberjack get-up?

All that self-sacrifice, judgement, self-pity! I’d say it’s (snoball), Saturday, 14 December 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link

one of his lasses suggested it

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 14:51 (ten years ago) link

for the first five or six seconds, this song makes me nostalgic for the days of "elderberry wine," which was five years ago at this point. then he starts singing and i get wistful for "shine on through," which was five minutes ago. at least he still had his voice when this album started. did he record the lead track and then go on a 30-day coke binge before continuing? were the nutty glasses the secret source of his vocal prowess? have the lasses sapped him of his strength?

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Saturday, 14 December 2013 16:36 (ten years ago) link

these last couple of songs coud also lead you to believe bernie taupin was secretly writing the melodies all along.

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Saturday, 14 December 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link

It does remind me a bit of, well, faster piano rockers of yore.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link

"Big Dipper"

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 December 2013 12:30 (ten years ago) link

THIS is more like it: genre exercise that could've fit on Side Three of GYBR or the second half of Caribou but still rather hysterically over-arranged.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 December 2013 12:36 (ten years ago) link

yeah, this is pretty fun. the music's a clunky pastiche of Little Feat, Leon Redbone and factory-setting "New Orleans jazz," and the lyric is the sort of double entendre that an 11-year-old would write, but at least this kinda swings. Chorus sunk by too many amateur voices colliding (acc. to Elton's biographer, singers include the staff of Rocket Records and members of the Watford Football Club)

col, Monday, 16 December 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link

Eight minutes! I feared the worst but:

-- The guitar fills sting

-- Paul Buckmaster's strings, while unnecessary, hugs Elton's vocal without smothering it.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 December 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link

This sounds like another Thom Bell session remake, but don't think it was. Agree that the guitar and Buckmaster are the stars here (and their interplay in the coda is great), but Elton's back in fine voice here too. It really builds for once.

so far this is one weird record. Big brooding Philly Soul numbers cheek-by-jowl with garish, charmless novelties

col, Monday, 16 December 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link

I listened to it again. I'll take a risk and say this is a Good Song and Performance -- the sort of lost gem for which I hoped this and the Eagles thread were created.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 December 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link

genre exercise that could've fit on Side Three of GYBR or the second half of Caribou but still rather hysterically over-arranged

kind of a poor man's caribou though. the whole thing's a bit too on the nose, and it doesn't quite rock in the way that even the ballads and genre exercises on caribou do.

but his singing voice has thankfully returned!

and the voice is still there for "it ain't gonna be easy," which is poor man's madman across the water, sort of.

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Monday, 16 December 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link

or rich man's Madman Across the Water.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 December 2013 19:17 (ten years ago) link

ha!

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Monday, 16 December 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link

time for the album's "hit"

Part-Time Love

http://youtu.be/xbUAglsS_8o

http://www.importsounds.com/images/ELTON-JOHN_PART-TIME-LOVE_061512.JPG

col, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:54 (ten years ago) link

His first lead single to miss the US top twenty in years. Forgotten too. I like the Philly swing of the backing vocals.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 13:04 (ten years ago) link

I don't recall this (it hit #21 or something) which is odd because, due to personal circumstances in '78-'80 (being shuttled for an hour each day to school by someone who listened to Roanoke's only top 40 station), even the more obscure singles from that era are stuck deep in the memory well.

It's okay, but it sounds kind of sickly, half-cooked pop--you can hear EJ willing the song forward in the latter half of the verses: "I'm Elton John, damn it, I'm going to make this thing work!" Guitar hook sounds like the theme song of an afternoon news show. Some fun over-the-top Buckmaster scoring, esp. in the bridges

col, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 13:17 (ten years ago) link

This was probably the first Elton John song I knew, because as a young kid I'd frequently hear my older brother sing the chorus hook which he evidently couldn't get out of his head. You! Me! Ev-er-y-body!! He'd sing the "you", tried to get me to sing the "me", and we'd both sing the "everybody" before he finished the rest of the line. This is how we passed the time on long drives in the back of the station wagon. I learned several songs this way, since I didn't have a radio or a record player back then. I didn't learn until decades later what song this was or who sang it.

Lee626, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link

The original RS review by Stephen Holden.

A Single Man demonstrates just how thin the line really is between disposable radio pop and elevator music, and suggests that for all of Elton John's public whining about not being taken seriously, the only thing that's ever mattered to him is that the hits keep coming. May they not.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 14:56 (ten years ago) link

Another not unpleasant retread, this time of his early habit (or Taupin's) of constructing a bauble around a geographic or thematic abstraction ("Slave," "Hercules").

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:57 (ten years ago) link

"Good Old Boys" without the irony; "Tumbleweed Connection" without the (Taupin-led) attempts at "naturalism"--like Alfred said, it's a song about a postcard image. Ode to Jimmy Carter? Who knows.

col, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 14:24 (ten years ago) link

sounds like something a british lyricist would write having heard the word "georgia" but otherwise having no idea.

boz scaggs' "georgia," from a couple years earlier, is a dead ringer for elton and is a much better song.

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link

Good catch!

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link

Silk Degrees is like an Elton John record that John wasn't capable of making anymore

col, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link

"Shooting Star"

http://youtu.be/ueXBHTSkZY4

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:07 (ten years ago) link

oh wait – this is incorrectly named on YouTube! Stand by.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:08 (ten years ago) link

I can't find a standalone clip, so go to 33:11 here: http://youtu.be/VcxJqI7I-xA

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:10 (ten years ago) link

Was just wondering if we're going to have trouble finding the more obscuro Elton tracks on YT.

"Shooting Star": this starts out promisingly, w/ the fretless bass and an intriguing verse melody, but mercy, when that garrulous saxophone shows up it's curtains for me. Feels like Elton going for a Hejira sound and missing

col, Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:17 (ten years ago) link

yes, i mean no, to that saxophone, which reminds me more of billy joel or gerry rafferty than joni.

but this is the first song on a single man that sounds anything like classic elton to me. it's a gorgeous melody. it's sung well. i love the bit, on the line "you might have seen me at the early show," where the electric piano follows the vocal melody.

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link

"Madness!!!"

http://youtu.be/Zx4HYH9Y35Y?t=1m43s

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Z3ghExwTEq8/hqdefault.jpg

col, Friday, 20 December 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link

A bit of "Grey Seal" in the intro.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 December 2013 14:22 (ten years ago) link

just completely ridiculous, but I kinda love it. The disco strings showing up on the chorus are a fun touch; generic guitar solo not so much.

col, Friday, 20 December 2013 14:23 (ten years ago) link

This isn't bad, no, but he gets hoarse and it goes on a bit.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 December 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link

So far A Single Man plays like run of the mill early seventies Elton except without a fantastic single or two to put it over.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 December 2013 14:28 (ten years ago) link

yes, feels like "the formula" is still in place, just minus the hits. Things get weirder on the next one, if I recall (haven't heard Victim of Love in like 20 yrs).

col, Friday, 20 December 2013 14:33 (ten years ago) link

Sounds like EJ got "Little Jeannie" out of this one--he's almost singing the "Jeannie" melody at the end

so this is the big cross-Atlantic mystery: huge hit in the UK, utterly nowhere in the States: it's Elton's equivalent of "Mull of Kintyre." Some speculation that the reign of the horrific "Music Box Dancer" in the US in '78 sewed up the market for piano instrumentals

col, Saturday, 21 December 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link

one of Princess Di's favorite songs too

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 December 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link


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