Only the fact that the Monsters guy is doing it has me curious. At least Big G looks more like his classic self in this.
― "Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 20:07 (ten years ago) link
In some ways it was genius for Toho to eventually turn Godzilla into a semi good guy. That way he got to destroy cities while also destroying other giant monsters, yet survive to star in sequels. The roteness of modern takes on "giant monster destroys city" is not the destruction, per se, but waiting for the inevitable "aha, that's how we kill it!" moment. Which is hard to care about, considering it's preceded by watching said monster destroy things in awesome fashion. Might as well have a character declare "aha, that's how we kill it, and make the movie stop moving!"
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:29 (ten years ago) link
What about that "she is just protecting her eggs" moment?
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link
Trailer does not get me excited. It looks like your standard Bruckheimer/Bay/Emmerich summer atrocity.
― zanarkand bozo (abanana), Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:01 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark
disagree, not enough money shots of buildings being leveled or people narrowly outrunning the earth crumbling beneath them like they're on a universal studios ride; michael bay's HALO jumping military guys would be buff scowling badasses, instead the emphasis is on their fear and terror
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
I have to say, I started this thread with a certain level of dismissiveness, but now I'm kinda looking forward to it.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 22:41 (ten years ago) link
I'm on board
― it's going to be a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs (latebloomer), Friday, 13 December 2013 01:20 (ten years ago) link
Godzilla always ruled because he was a role model for fat, pear-shaped schlubs everywhere. You can change the world while still being sluggish and having horrible breath.
― it's going to be a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5PtyrewSs (latebloomer), Friday, 13 December 2013 01:22 (ten years ago) link
Or maybe being so big you knock shit down just by turning around? I don't think Godzilla can see his feet, either.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 01:27 (ten years ago) link
And don't even get me started on this pudge monster:http://www.wiredmomma.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/godzilla.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 01:28 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/slq3w3Sl.jpg
Does this Godzilla seem even more giant than previous Godzillas? And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:26 (ten years ago) link
Monsters is a great, great movie. So I'm looking forward to this on that alone.
― akm, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:35 (ten years ago) link
And also, would a creature that size even be able to exist in an environment with Earth's gravity?
Probably not. As I vaguely recall from my biology and physics, if you double the size of something, its muscle strength squares, but its volume/mass cubes, so the muscles are no longer strong enough to support the body (this is why insects/spiders don't come in sizes bigger than they currently do--if they got much bigger their exoskeleton weighs more than their limbs can support). Given the vaguely humanoid sjhape of Godzilla, he'd be fucked.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
But yeah, Monsters was wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpc53FvcZ4c
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 20 February 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
hahaha
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Friday, 21 February 2014 01:27 (ten years ago) link
that trailer looks amazing up top. never saw the 1998 one. i'm guessing it wasn't much good?
― piscesx, Friday, 21 February 2014 03:43 (ten years ago) link
You guess correct. It's not even bad in a fun way.
― Simon H., Friday, 21 February 2014 03:52 (ten years ago) link
the way the 98 one bombed was wonderful
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 21 February 2014 04:24 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu85WQTPRc
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
If you would have told me back in, say 2001, that we'd have another Godzilla reboot starring Malcolm's dad and the Olsen's twins kid sister...
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
this looks great.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
Looks surprisingly good.
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
Like the use of Ligeti. Hoping this turns out to be a Rise of the Apes-style classy update.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
Interest building....
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
Does Godzilla make airplanes fall out of the sky or something?
― jmm, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
why does the statue of liberty look so fake
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:09 (ten years ago) link
did you see the desert mountains in the background
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link
i know it was going for a way different vibe, but i hope this can provide the monster-destroying-city action that Pacific Rim was woefully short on.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:29 (ten years ago) link
commercial's great, that's for sure. better to only hint at the monster (like with the rising ocean), or show it for a second or two.
30 years later, and the techniques used in jaws still hold true.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link
looks great. don't know why but remakes of franchise movies like this bother me so much less than remakes of stand alone films (point break ,oldboy etc)
― TheMenzies, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
I like they they've kept him tied (it seems) to the post-WW2 nuclear age.
― ryan, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah, is that vegas?
idk, i'm in. why not? monsters was really good, good cast here.
― goole, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:39 (ten years ago) link
not sure the other "viral" marketing video they've released -- the godzilla "roar" -- is as effective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z0T3VwHzk8
meh. the "roar" video wouldn't, of course, get the rare "5 out of 5 schmoes" that the official trailer did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHyThBpoR1o
― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
So, is there much talk of what this will be about ? Trailer implies Godzilla vs something ... some flying thing? Some tentacle thing? Both?
Weird how poor some of the effects look in the trailer (such as the wave carrying ships towards the camera) but I guess this is something they'll be rendering till just before release. Can't say I'm excited, but this did make me curious about a movie I until now assumed I wouldn't watch. The opening shots were good (corked traffic & crashed plane; tumbling buildings & origami birds)
Actually, went back now and it does seems to be some avian creature. There's a shot at 1:30 of guys aiming their guns up at a large, descending silhouette, then a shot of something — presumably the same thing — slipping into the ocean between a couple of crashing airplanes.
― Øystein, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:03 (ten years ago) link
i liked the wave!
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:05 (ten years ago) link
― Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:31 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark
haha well i'd argue it doesnt hold true at all for daikaiju films... but this is just advertising and it looks like a good approach for what they're doing
i laughed (in a good way) at the line that was like 'the nuclear tests from 1954... they weren't tests, they were trying to kill it!!!'
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:09 (ten years ago) link
Is that Ligetti music the same as the one in 2001.. i'm sure it is? Also a quick flash of Geiger/Alien vibes at 1 point.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
yes
― AIDS (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 00:42 (ten years ago) link
This looks really cool
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 02:49 (ten years ago) link
Usually my rule of thumb is the cooler the trailer looks, the more disappointing the final film will be. But as long as they keep a lot of the surprises under wraps, and as long as what we see looks, visually, like something the guy who did "Monsters" did - which this does - I'm happy. Mentioned it upthread and will mention it again, but what made "Monsters" special (imo) is how well-written and acted the people stuff was, especially for a movie called "Monsters." Looking forward to seeing the guy pull it off again on a much larger scale.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
Really hope those miniature Mothra twins make a cameo
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
This actually looks kinda okay! Reasonably sold on it as a 'terrifying beast smashes things' movie, and I think I saw Maggie Gyllenhaal in there so I'm in.
It'd be great if it had a strong 'idea' hook too - I mean it's obvious but the original Gojira from the Fifties was actually a, like, good movie (some slow talky scenes aside) with all kinds of resonances in post-Occupation Japan - the trauma of bomb devastation re-enacted, the useless government, the shaky faith in technical progress, an attempt to rehabilitate doomsday weapons by binding them with old-school honor/guilt, etc.... Obviously it'd be easy to do this as 9/11 stuff but frankly that's been done to death in the genre of building-destruction porn and anyway it's been a while, they should find some new anxieties to really tap into. Global warming/wild weather stuff, maybe. I guess that's why I really like the 'mostly smoke' aspect of this, seems less about wrenching every last drop of suppressed sublimation out of the WTC attacks. Could be quickly proven wrong obv. But it would be cool if this touched some nerves.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
There was a lot of metaphor and whatnot swimming around "Monsters," too, but I don't want to spoil that movie for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
did you see the desert mountains in the background― AIDS (Hungry4Ass)
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
It would be awesome of Godzilla is not as big as the posters make it seem, and that it's just him destroying Vegas.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuIVn5cq5U
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
It seems really strange to recycle that Ligetti piece ... its association with 2001 is so strong
maybe the assumption is that no one seeing a Godzilla movie in 2014 is old enough to have seen 2001?
― Brad C., Wednesday, 26 February 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
I'm pretty sure they just picked it because it sounds cool. Trailers use music from other movies all the time. Original scores are rarely done until fairly close to release.
― faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
key target audience of godzilla in 2014 was BORN in 2001**mind blown**
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
I'd rather they reuse Ligetti than the damn airhorn noise from "Inception." Again.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
ahh this is helpful!
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/22234-special-effects-in-godzilla-movies-history
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:33 (three months ago) link
I guess Godzilla 2000 is the first to have a fully CGI Godzilla
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 15:35 (three months ago) link
I'm with the quote here - I know it was CGI but it didn't look it:
But it's still necessarily CGI, which is what's great about this film's effects: Yamazaki and his team are using the latitude of computer animation to push their Godzilla to do things that no stuntman in a rubber suit could have possibly down, constrained as they all were by physics, but they also very carefully make sure that it always looks like a stuntman in a suit. As Godzilla thrashes its way through the Ginza district, in the film's big landbound setpiece (this Godzilla is primarily an aquatic animal), the flexibility and full-body vitality of its movements are like nothing else in this franchise, but it's never weightless. It's the very best kind of popcorn movie magic.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 22:18 (three months ago) link
yeah they did a really good job with it. I'm usually put off by big computer monsters in blockbusters but he was dynamic and terrifying. lots of great open water scenes too which I loved.
ok I lied about the break. taking it after finally finishing Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah - Monsters All Out Attack.
think that puts me at 18....only half or so, but most of them watched in a month's time so give me credit.
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 22:32 (three months ago) link
My buddy wanted to see this again, so I saw it again. Held up! And while it was a smaller theatre, it was packed.
So I guess they are re-releasing this for a week in black & white for some reason. Has anyone ever preferred the B&W versions of movies, when they do this? "Fury Road," "The Mist," what else? Soderbergh made that B&W silent version of "Raiders of the Lost Ark," I guess that was a cool novelty, but mostly I prefer the original color versions of these gimmicks.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:08 (three months ago) link
Really want to see this, so does my son, but we've had a hard time lining up a screening that works for us.
They also did a black and white version of Logan.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:10 (three months ago) link
I massively prefer the b&w mist
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:15 (three months ago) link
That might be one where I slightly prefer the black and white version, but I didn't have a big problem with the color version.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:23 (three months ago) link
Okay so I've seen the new Monsterverse one and SIIIIIIGH
My happily spoiler filled rant follows!
* First, an immediate breaking point for a lot of you: GODZILLA IS BARELY IN THIS. Maybe 15% of screentime or so? A more accurate title is _KONG (feat Godzilla): SOME BULLSHIT_ * Said ape's personal problems are the core of the movie and the first plot point involves whether his dental insurance plan covers tooth replacements. (I am only slightly kidding.) And indeed, a good chunk of his whole arc can best be called 'divorced/widowed/old dude hangs around with a young punk who he teaches the ways of goodness to as part of setting him straight given the bad crowd he's fallen into.' Imagine _Gran Torino_, but without the Torino, and only in ape noises. You will feel your mind melt into mush.* The most 'I guess I didn't expect that' moment is when a typical-these-days sloooow motion goodie vs baddie personal clash moment is ridiculously interrupted. But it's still not that great.* The implied body count in the film if you count all the various buildings smashed to bits across the globe is likely in the hundreds of thousands. To say that none of this has the slightest hint of resonance and overwhelming, shocking loss in comparison to something like, I dunno, let me pick something at random, _Godzilla Minus One_ maybe, is to understate. (I grant this is feature not bug with so many of the movies and this new one is long in the works and etc. etc. but...ya know?)* KINDA speaking of which, a quick sequence in which three bridges are smashed in succession with people on them, well, they couldn't plan for that being all too resonant this week, but having a famed Muslim-majority city get violently trashed...well...ANYWAY MOVING ON.* The Golden Earring "Twilight Zone" sync, I did like that, I haven't heard that in a while and I always liked that song, and it probably helped it was during the most visually interesting and weird part of the film. The Kiss, Foreigner and Badfinger drops, eh.* At one point Kong and Godzilla shout at each other across the entire length of the Mediterranean and then one gets to the other five minutes later. Somehow, it is all very unimpressive and uninteresting!* Various actors are on screen and they do act. I have nothing to say about any of them. (Except Rachel House, who always rules, but is given little to do except run around a headquarters and say things urgently, but awesome glasses, though.)* Look, the end fight is okay enough, I guess. But that's faint praise. * This is such a dumbass, haphazard 'franchise.' Even though it wasn't perfect or anything, I have to give a certain credit to Matt Fraction and crew for using the _Monarch_ series to try and retcon the previous four films into a vaguely consistent story instead of one that stumbles from situation to situation at best. But this new film doesn't help things any and probably just makes it all worse again.* There is no easter egg or anything after the end credits. Just go home. Better yet, don't go.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 00:59 (two weeks ago) link
Thank you for your service.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 01:20 (two weeks ago) link
The advantage of a monthly Alamo pass that pays for itself pretty quickly is that I don't feel like I've shelled out for this thing.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 01:24 (two weeks ago) link
ugh that sounds like more of the same from the 2014 Evans and 2019 Dougherty movies. cosigning josh thank you for yr service it sounds dire how hard is it to make a fucking monster movie ABOUT THE GODDAMN MONSTERS
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 01:30 (two weeks ago) link
Especially after Minus One got it done.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 01:43 (two weeks ago) link
I do still hold Gareth Evans personally responsible for this infernal trend
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 01:50 (two weeks ago) link
It's never too late to blame Zack Snyder for everything being in slo-mo as well.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 29 March 2024 10:37 (two weeks ago) link
I'd put that more down to The Matrix (in terms of popularising it over the brim)
― nashwan, Friday, 29 March 2024 12:50 (two weeks ago) link
Wonder why del Toro wasted so much time with Pacific Rim, let alone Frankenstein and Pinocchio, when he probably could have made a really awesome (American) Godzilla.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 15:28 (two weeks ago) link
wtf Pacific Rim was great
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 21:18 (two weeks ago) link
I thought it was fine and saw it once.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:20 (two weeks ago) link
I don't recall it bringing anything to the table that would not have been brought by Godzilla.
i saw it MANY times so i think i am qualified to disagree with “it was fine” :D
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 21:21 (two weeks ago) link
Many!!! Hats off.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:24 (two weeks ago) link
I recall Charlie from Sunny In Philadelphia getting swallowed by a monster? Also, robots controlled by stair masters, something like that.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:27 (two weeks ago) link
Seen Pacific Rim maybe three times it's as fun as Del Toro Giant Mechs vs Kaiju could be. I like the flawed yet effective-above-its-weight Edwards-directed Godzilla also though.
― nashwan, Friday, 29 March 2024 22:32 (two weeks ago) link
Edwards has a gift for big imagery that often only shows in moments, but they last. Whoever thought up the paratroop drop silhouette moment, whether himself or someone else, had the best brainwave.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:00 (two weeks ago) link
Godzilla Minus One still isn't streaming and has left theaters; and no streaming date in the forseeable future. I read somewhere the rumor is that there is some IP contract that is keeping it off because of this new shitshow movie.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:18 (two weeks ago) link
Would watch the hell out of a Godzilla vs Big Man Japan franchise flick, otherwise it's a no from me I'm afraid
― carnival of bowls (Matt #2), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:22 (two weeks ago) link
yeah Mr Veg was telling me it was some weird dealwith Showa & Paramount where if Showa releases the movie theatrically Paramount won’t show it on streaming for x amount of time, like a year?idk i may have the details all wrong
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 23:33 (two weeks ago) link
Showa meaning Toho? (I mean, Toho is happy to take Warner Bros/Legendary money!)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:49 (two weeks ago) link
ugh yes toho sry
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 March 2024 01:50 (two weeks ago) link
I watched the new one with my 14yo Godzilla suoerfan son. My expectations were near zero, so to that end it surpassed my expectations and was perfectly entertaining, albeit with a low bar. But all of Ned’s comments above are spot on too. Even with the threadbare connections from movie to movie, I just don’t think this franchise can sustain multi-film narrative arc. By now the majority of the film takes place in the fictional Hollow Earth realm, and the human characters are on more or less friendly terms with the titular monsters. There’s just no TERROR. And yeah like Ned said, when the action does take place in recognizable cities, the carnage is so cartoonish it’s totally devoid of any sense of what ought to be inconceivable tragedy.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 30 March 2024 05:03 (two weeks ago) link