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iirc harbl studied math but she said she has forgotten all of it and left it all behind and is a lawyer now

flopson, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link

kid i was tutoring deferred his exam :-\

flopson, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link

why negative times negative is positive

I feel like I did something like this in discrete math, you start with basic definitions of integers and parity or w/e and then do a formal proof or w/e?

☞ (brimstead), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:16 (ten years ago) link

lol n/m i'm drunk and listening to bill withers

do a formal proof or w/e (brimstead), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:18 (ten years ago) link

how do i shot basic simplification of roots

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/11318231686_aee01101ef_b.jpg

the late great, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:25 (ten years ago) link

You're asking seriously?

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:31 (ten years ago) link

Oh, I see you are making fun of the person who put the question marks.

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 04:47 (ten years ago) link

no i'm asking seriously :((((

the late great, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 05:51 (ten years ago) link

defeated by precalc ;_;

the late great, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 05:53 (ten years ago) link

Multiply by conjugate?

do a formal proof or w/e (brimstead), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 05:59 (ten years ago) link

rotation of axes??

do a formal proof or w/e (brimstead), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:00 (ten years ago) link

last step looks like some bullshit, no? rationalize the denominator, b then u got sqrt(1 + 2/3sqrt(2)) not sure how much more u can smiplify tho?

flopson, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:00 (ten years ago) link

it works on a calculator

the late great, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:07 (ten years ago) link

google it!

sqrt((2+sqrt(2)) / (2 - sqrt(2)))-sqrt(2)

the late great, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:11 (ten years ago) link

ok got it

the late great, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:41 (ten years ago) link

Interesting post on zero indexing:

http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2013/10/22/citation-needed/

Author interviewed Martin Richards, author of BCPL and the supposed originator of zero indexing. Conclusion: it was a stylistic decision (i.e. it wasn’t commentary on zero’s inclusion in ℕ or whatever).

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link

interesting to think about how stylistic concerns can be aligned naturally with mathematical principles (vs when they're not aligned). makes me think about what style really means and stuff.

do a formal proof or w/e (brimstead), Thursday, 12 December 2013 03:07 (ten years ago) link

0 is so not a natural number

flopson, Thursday, 12 December 2013 03:43 (ten years ago) link

mathematical principles are always about style

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Thursday, 12 December 2013 04:31 (ten years ago) link

If you believe -1 x a is -a, then -1 x -1 is -(-1), and negative negative 1 is plainly 1.

I once gave this answer but in a much wordier way on this thread:

http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/9933/why-negative-times-negative-positive

o. nate, Thursday, 12 December 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link

considering prepping a talk for an undergrad conference in january, anyone got any topics to suggest?

flopson, Sunday, 15 December 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link

https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20121002-getting-into-shapes-from-hyperbolic-geometry-to-cube-complexes-and-back/

great article on the classification of 3-manifolds, written at an extremely accessible level. basically this guy thurston conjectured 23 theorems that, once all proven, would result in classification. my topo prof proved a result that was used to prove the last three conjectures in one sweep, and article goes in some detail into his research. super interesting stuff, to me at least

flopson, Sunday, 15 December 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link

thanks for the link -- that's very clear!

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:21 (ten years ago) link

Yeah

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:23 (ten years ago) link

it would be an interesting history of math to classify what programmes have led to the most research -- i suspect classification programmes themselves would probably lead the pack.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:24 (ten years ago) link

classification of surfaces seemed like it didn't take very long once they figured out what they were doing

flopson, Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:32 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah, finite simple groups, too

flopson, Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:33 (ten years ago) link

arguably, figuring out what you're doing is typically the hard part.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:38 (ten years ago) link

great little history of the classification of surfaces on appendix D of this book http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/997/bbm%253A978-3-642-34364-3%252F1.pdf?auth66=1387259121_9a9118105634f100257c6f624c9329f0&ext=.pdf (full pdf)

flopson, Sunday, 15 December 2013 05:49 (ten years ago) link

gah i should be studying for my analysis exam... blegh

flopson, Sunday, 15 December 2013 06:03 (ten years ago) link

which 2 should i take next semester out of these 4

real analysis 4 (measure theory, functional analysis)
differential geometry
topics in geometry & topology course on cube c0mplexes
discrete mathematics of paul erdos (taught by the great vasec chv4tal http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~chvatal/6621/)

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link

real and discrete OR differential and cube complexes

the late great, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link

i sort of hated analysis 3 but while studying for it and memorizing all those theorems i became really impressed with it and now have the urge to take the 4th. also i've heard measure theory is one of those things you've just *got* to learn and this guy would teach it properly

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link

interesting, why those 2 diff pairings?

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link

(xp)

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:56 (ten years ago) link

i've always had better luck in school when i take courses with some connection to each other rather than courses which have different approaches

although ... is real analysis useful in differential geometry?

the late great, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link

yes

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link

pairing of most similar would be cubes + discrete, diff geo + ana

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link

oh okay. that's what i'd do then.

(higher math n00b)

the late great, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link

cube complexes was developed by algebraic topologists & geometric group theorists, people who exploit an analogy (functor or whatever) between topological spaces, infinite groups, and cayley graphs of infinite groups, to prove results in group theory & 3-manifold theory. so graph theory would come up

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link

the simplest vers of diff geo is, like, in multivariable calculus taking a surface integral

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link

yeah that's about as far as i got in geometry

the late great, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link

that article i posted upthread goes into the CC stuff, with some quotes by dude who is teaching the course (and is like world champion of cube complexes)

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link

yeah i read it but my head started to spin halfway through and i definitely got real confused around when the cube complexes came in

the late great, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link

word

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link

2 much cool math

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link

How can you not take Erdos class?

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link

i know, right

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:09 (ten years ago) link

Students who will make significant progress towards the solution of any open problem on the list posted here will get the grade of A+ regardless of their numerical score.

flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:16 (ten years ago) link

This is kind of old news, but I enjoyed this article. I never tire of these kinds of stories about unknown mathematicians toiling on hard problems in obscurity for years and then reaching a breakthrough, plus it does a good job of explaining the topic in layman's terms:

https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130519-unheralded-mathematician-bridges-the-prime-gap/

o. nate, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link


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