Television

mm, self evident?

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kind of funny that they got the album title and the single title wrong, but i would've liked to see this bill.

Any Only Ones shows up?

only only ones bootleggy kinda thing i have is from (i think) 1979. And the quality is kind of bad iirc.

Never did get into that late 70s American-issued comp, Special View, but hoped some shows might show me the way to their critically-acclaimed specialness--think it was mainly Peter P.'s voice what put me off.

i love 'em but his voice may indeed be an acquired taste. but then again, so is verlaine's! Their BBC sessions are awesome.

I always liked Verlaine's voice! It suits his good-to-great stuff perfectly; can't save the weaker stuff, but there's not too much weaker stuff and that's the law of the jungle anyway. I'll check TOO's BBC Sessions, thanks.

Television to take off! To The Great White North

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weird lineup

The first album popped up on random shuffle yesterday. Man, the drums on that thing are every bit the equal of the guitars.

When I saw the two tiny venue Brooklyn shows in November, I was really able to get a good look at what ficca was doing. So amazing. The way he takes advantage of the sides of the drums is so cool. He'll drag the stick along those metal ribs (excuse my ignorance, these are for tuning, right?) to get a rapid series of rim shots, for example.

xp Late response but one's best intro to The Only Ones is the Peel Sessions comp.

There's all these interesting fests popping up in the Midwest too. Television is at Big Ears Festival in Knoxville. Check out the lineup: http://www.bigearsfestival.com/

Then there's this, but without Televivion (Earth is playing both):

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I often wondered how he did those 'rimshot rolls'

Hmmm what are the pros and cons of going to see Television in 2014 if I rate Marquee Moon about 8 out of 10 for personal enjoyment and haven't heard much else of theirs?

8 pro, 2 con?

jesus, fucking go!!!

OK, you helped make that an easy decision. Merci.

Seeing the band next week. Been a while.

Wished they'd come back my way. Saw 'em during that '90s reunion phase

Really good last night, though I could do without "Persia."

It's obviously obvious, but it finally struck me last night:

Tom Verlaine.
T. V.
TV
Television.

puns that you had missed

I just got that. Fuck.

TV
T.V.
Tom Miller

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Persia is the greatest thing ever on some nights; on other nights it's just okay. I hope they are able to bottle it when a studio recording eventually comes out.

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Japanese fashion line features iconic images of Tom Verlaine and Television

Thought that was a Halloween costume. I would totally give all the candy to a kid who trick-or-treated as Marquee Moon.

Ha otm

I just noticed that Television will be performing in Philly between Christmas and New Year's. Wondering if I, a fan of Marquee Moon and lover of that original CBGB period who never saw them before, should see them or if they're a shell of their former self. Any opinions?

NYC Native: The band is not the same without Richard Lloyd. I am assuming he won't be there. I saw them in Central Park a few years back and it was lackluster at best. If Lloyd is somehow on board I'd say by all means attend.

Disagree. Lloyd is inimitable and irreplaceable but they remain very much worth seeing. Ripp has his own thing to bring. The rough trade shows were excellent. I don't blame kwhitehead for forming that opinion based on that Central Park show though -- it was right after Lloyd left and it sucked.

yeah, i mean you shouldn't expect the heights of 1978 or anything, but if you like hearing verlaine play guitar, how could it be bad? not to mention that rhythm section.
the recent instrumental set in NYC last weekend sounded interesting.

this is cool -- numero is putting out an Ork Records box set -- television, hell, chilton, feelies, many more!
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it is a GOOD IDEA.
feelies stuff is particularly exciting because those recordings have never been released (or bootlegged afaik)

Richard's jug-like runs on "Fire Engine" <3

Has anyone ever seen Tom Verlaine or Richard Lloyd reference any interest in Wishbone Ash? You listen to the guitar playing on songs like 'The Pilgrim' especially on their live record, you definitely find some sonic similarity with Television. I know Thin Lizzy and Maiden were both inspired by the dual guitar playing, but in some ways you can hear it quite a bit in Television.

Richard's jug-like runs on "Fire Engine" <3

Hmm. I don't think I have seen Verlaine or Lloyd talk about Wishbone Ash at all, but I can see why you'd come to that conclusion. I might dig out Adventure for a listen soon, it's been a while.

Just saw them live the other night. I don't know Wishbone Ash, so can't say. I heard bits of surf, Duane Eddy, Coltrane free jazz.

I saw Television most recently maybe a year or two ago (post-Lloyd era), and I took a guitar nerd friend of mine who was a) somehow not terribly familiar with Television and b) weirdly unimpressed. I think he dismissed it as "faux-naive" or something like that.

verlaine would say he's never heard of wishbone ash, lloyd would say he taught the wishbone ash guys how to play guitar. both would not be exactly true.

that's a weird reaction to television - makes 'em sound like fuckin pomplamoose xp

by the way! if you haven't checked it out, i just re-upped my comp of richard hell-era Television here: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/149945081937/television-a-season-in-hell-sunday-re-up-ive

Whoa thanks. Downloading.

sweet!

I'm going to start calling everything I don't like "faux-naive" now.

As a guitarist, Verlaine is kind've a weird mixture of virtuoso and non-virtuoso, tho - like, I can't ever imagine him every playing in a totally improvised jazz-chops type context (and he's never shown any inclination or desire to do so), yet he's incredibly adept and 'in the moment' when he takes a solo w/ Television. So, if you're a guitar nerd who worships someone like Allan Holdsworth, yeah, he prob is going to seem limited and technically unsophisticated maybe; whereas first gen Brit punkers I know thought Television were 'boring musos' when they first toured the UK.

So, if you're a guitar nerd who worships someone like Allan Holdsworth, yeah, he prob is going to seem limited and technically unsophisticated maybe

Sure, but there's nothing "faux" about this. As far as I know, it's not like Verlaine could play like Holdsworth and is dumbing himself down, let alone self-consciously. The quote was vaguely remembered and second-hand though so.

Second party anyway