They're fucked, but they have to hope in something. Theo has one pretty decent excuse to go to the Human Project: Julian. He can trust her the way she ultimately trusted him. That seems to be one of the major points of the movie that the most elevated human ideas of love and hope and trust and empathy are personal and not political.
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.cswu.cz/music/characters/medals.jpg
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.phillyist.com/attachments/philly_nicole/mission-accomplished.jpg
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Didn't get the feeling of determined completion from that ending that you did. Not at all. The ship looked like a mirage. It didn't look real, and I don't think it was supposed to look real. The men on deck were posed in way-too-obviously-cartoonish poses of "brave discovery" and didn't seem to be pointing towards the girl and baby, a scant 100 feet away. They seemed to be gesturing towards an indefinable something off on the very distant horizon. Towards "tomorrow" or something similarly abstract?
I don't think we were meant to take the final shots as literally as all that.
― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
(That could also be used on people confused after watching Inland Empire. Actually, never mind, the Lynch rabbits and Nastasja Kinski were on the boat.)
― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOMB07 (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, see, I'm definitely on the side of appreciating this. The goal is to get her to the boat, and that gets accomplished, as much as tasks are accomplished in any contemporary setting. I have not seen that movie where Bruce Willis has to guide Mos Def across fourteen blocks, or whatever, but I'm guessing that their safe arrival doesn't end criminal behavior forever, which seems analogous to what some people in my audience expected from this one: that the unpleasant future would somehow be corrected at the end?
Theo dies in part because every single person who helps them dies. (The airstrikes obviously help with that, but it seems to be underlined when the Russians get shot.) Also: I really liked Sid's death, the sense of hesitance and repulsion on Theo's part as he bashes him. I appreciate seeing a film this suspenseful where the hero doesn't engage in any more action than knocking people with car doors, jump-starting a vehicle, and then showing great distaste in finally actually having to brain someone.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, out of the heroes in the movie, who actually carries a weapon? Do we ever see Julian with a weapon? Theo uses a car door and a battery, but carries nothing. Kee: nothing. Jasper: nothing. Miriam: nothing. Merickha: carries nothing, but brandishes a piece of wood in an emergency (poor Sid brings out the worst in everybody). The only unsullied "good-guy" who carries a weapon in the movie is the Georgian(?) refugee who leads them to the boat.
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Sick Mouthy (sickmouth...), January 17th, 2007 11:59 AM. (Nick Southall) (later)
i dunno, this seemed a little out of place to me.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Ready Or Not Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link
The Jarvis Cocker tune just compounded the awfulness of the ending. The last two minutes is by far the worst part of the film. They should have made it half an hour longer.
Awesome movie.
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link
I think you're being a nitpicker.
― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link