yeah I kind of enjoy that record, but isn't he playing alongside tony allen there? He really didn't have great feel on his own. I find his drumming very halting and awkward.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 02:50 (ten years ago) link
check out Blakey blatantly aping Baker starting around 4:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qghrsBfSbgk
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:08 (ten years ago) link
Bruford is a real master of the drumset and I don't know if I'd say either of the others are. Granted that a lot of "masters" of the drumset are more boring to listen to than some drummers that just groove really hard, I just don't think that's the case here.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
sometimes i feel i enjoy the liebezeit copycats more than jaki himself. bruford all time obv, but strangely there ain't that many modern drummers successfully cloning his style. idk, i hear a bit of brudford in greg saunier, mostly in terms of accents and overall unpredictability but that's about it.
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
i feel i enjoy the liebezeit copycats
por ejemplo...?
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link
yeah also wondering
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
mmmmmm
mig from moonshake, david turner from long fin killie, jerry fuchs from turing machine, dude from pram (their first drummer, can't recall his name) etc.
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
sorry to have to say it, but who from what? i don't know anything about any of those bands! is there some secret island where all the jaki-worshipping drummers live?
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:11 (ten years ago) link
my favorite liebezeit song is nookie
― Mordy , Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:13 (ten years ago) link
well Jerry Fuchs (RIP) also played with LCD Soundsystem and The Juan MacLean among others, LL, so you probably have heard him. The other two I don't know from Adam.
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:14 (ten years ago) link
er other three
also I kind of think of Neu! as more progenitors of that style than Can
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:15 (ten years ago) link
i'd say this guy was def a fan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Young_(drummer)
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:18 (ten years ago) link
haven't you listened to moonshake's eva luna??? man, you're in for a threat. 1st two LFK records and pram's helium also essential listening for the krautisms and the jaki aping in particular (i swear i'm not making this up, those guys were super into liebezeit)
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:21 (ten years ago) link
fun, takes patience, steve gadd imo
http://youtu.be/Ln6b_nBM-V8?t=2m46s
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:30 (ten years ago) link
^ thanks to my brother for the link
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:31 (ten years ago) link
i love the way gadd moves when he plays -- he loves drumming more than most drummers imo
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah, plus just beating the hell out of shit
the other two aren't my thing (weckl & colaiuta)
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:34 (ten years ago) link
he crushes weckl and colaiuta on that imo, they're just all like "duggaduggaduggadugaaduggaduggadugga PSH PSH PSH PSHHHHH duggaduggadugga pshhh" while he's grooving the shit out of everything
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link
i love the way he'll hang back a moment, find (or make) space in their noise, and just swing on in like a wrecking ball
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:40 (ten years ago) link
This is one of my favorite Gadd solos (starts around 4:53):
Drum geek sick chops youtube thread
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:41 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFVzqrfMTRI#t=322
xxxp have not, but will investigatei want a ticket to the island!
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:43 (ten years ago) link
here's gadd in full blast mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-yPdckNaDo
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:46 (ten years ago) link
o hell yeah, that was inspirational (@hurting)
bass solo leading up pretty fn sick too
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 04:56 (ten years ago) link
http://youtu.be/PuBFSFqLF5E?t=6m13s
crazy
oh yeah, that's like a famous gadd lick
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 05:19 (ten years ago) link
hurting otm in this thread, i'm not a baker fan.
btw i ran into gadd twice in new orleans when he was there with james taylor iirc, he was the nicest and most curious dude ever. the first time was at the fairgrounds where he was just walking around checking all the new orleans bands out, asking us "what's good? what am i saying, it's all good!" then later he was at a club where my brass band was playing...he couldn't stay for the show, but they were playing a cd of ours over the PA and he was like, "wait, this is you guys? this is amazing!" and asked for a copy.
― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
Ugh, fucking Steve Gadd. He's like an exaggerated caricature of the worst aspects of fuzak session hackery. Him and Weckl.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
Haha, that's hilarious.
Would probably go with Liebezeit, narrowly over Bruford. Bruford can swing mightily, and came pretty damn close to taking Tony Williams' shit to another level. But Liebezeit is such a monster.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
a relentlessly groovy monster
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
It's a session-off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8
One thing that's fun about these nerd-fests is that it's presented like some sort of a challenge, but all these dudes can play anything.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
(There's a point around 2:30 where it looks like Vinnie is playing a one-handed roll!)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
Almost a fun read from Steve Vai:
"I was just enamored with Vinnie. Back in the Frank days, his whole approach, when I heard Vinnie play, his phrasing - it satisfied something in my heart. It was easy to get certain rhythmic gratification from straight up-and-down-type players. Playing grooves, alternate grooves here and there. But Vinnie just came in and threw a wrench into the works. The guy is an alien. He was able to touch buttons with his sense of polyrhythms that no one has ever done. Frank's band was the perfect soundboard for that. I started transcribing his playing for The Frank Zappa Book. I mean, there's five to six different notations for the hi-hat!" (laughs)"I'll tell you a really great Vinnie story. He's one of the most amazing sight-readers that ever existed on the instrument. One day we were in a Frank rehearsal, this was early '80s, and Frank brought in this piece of music called "Mo 'N Herb's Vacation." Just unbelievably complex. All the drums were written out, just like "The Black Page" except even more complex. There were these runs of like 17 over 3 and every drumhead is notated differently. And there were a whole bunch of people there, I think Bozzio was there.""Vinnie had this piece of music on the stand to his right. To his left he had another music stand with a plate of sushi on it, okay? Now the tempo of the piece was very slow, like "The Black Page." And then the first riff came in, [mimics bizarre Zappa-esque drum rhythm patterns] with all these choking of cymbals, and hi-hat, ruffs, spinning of rototoms and all this crazy stuff. And I saw Vinnie reading this thing. Now, Vinnie has this habit of pushing his glasses up with the middle finger of his right hand. Well I saw him look at this one bar of music, it was the last bar of music on the page. He started to play it as he was turning the page with one hand, and then once the page was turned he continued playing the riff with his right hand, as he reached over with his left hand, grabbed a piece of sushi and put it in his mouth, continued the riff with his left hand and feet, pushed his glasses up, and then played the remaining part of the bar.""It was the sickest thing I have ever seen. Frank threw his music up in the air. Bozzio turned around and walked away. I just started laughing."
"I'll tell you a really great Vinnie story. He's one of the most amazing sight-readers that ever existed on the instrument. One day we were in a Frank rehearsal, this was early '80s, and Frank brought in this piece of music called "Mo 'N Herb's Vacation." Just unbelievably complex. All the drums were written out, just like "The Black Page" except even more complex. There were these runs of like 17 over 3 and every drumhead is notated differently. And there were a whole bunch of people there, I think Bozzio was there."
"Vinnie had this piece of music on the stand to his right. To his left he had another music stand with a plate of sushi on it, okay? Now the tempo of the piece was very slow, like "The Black Page." And then the first riff came in, [mimics bizarre Zappa-esque drum rhythm patterns] with all these choking of cymbals, and hi-hat, ruffs, spinning of rototoms and all this crazy stuff. And I saw Vinnie reading this thing. Now, Vinnie has this habit of pushing his glasses up with the middle finger of his right hand. Well I saw him look at this one bar of music, it was the last bar of music on the page. He started to play it as he was turning the page with one hand, and then once the page was turned he continued playing the riff with his right hand, as he reached over with his left hand, grabbed a piece of sushi and put it in his mouth, continued the riff with his left hand and feet, pushed his glasses up, and then played the remaining part of the bar."
"It was the sickest thing I have ever seen. Frank threw his music up in the air. Bozzio turned around and walked away. I just started laughing."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
Always, not almost a fun read. Whoops.
Steve Vai, almost a guitarist I want to hear.
i wouldn't call that a one-handed roll, he's playing double strokes to fill in between the right hand notes, but you're right, facility is not an issue for any of these dudes.
haha, i was trying to find a video of buddy rich doing a one-handed roll and i came across this one that i hadn't seen before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48
"shit!" (1:24)
― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
The classic Vinnie story, love it.
― diffidently worth every cent!!! (WilliamC), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
just wanted to mention I'm listening on Spotify to an album Jaki did with Pascal Comelade, Pierre Bastien and Jac Berrocal called Oblique Sessions and it fucking rules and is reminding me how oddly inscrutable is his greatness. On paper it seems like Jaki has a very simple approach and should be very copyable but no imitator sounds like him.
LL, I think you would like Pram. Seconding the recommendation of their album Helium. And their EP Meshes. They have a toytown bros quay thing going on. Their drummer ain't no Jaki but I can cert believe he loves him.
― yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
Both Moonshake and Pram rule. I have respect for Long Fin Killie but never want to listen to them.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
Also - Jaki & Pierre Bastien? OMG, must hear.
yeeeeeeeeeees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pJoiRGGxco
― sweat pea (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 17:05 (ten years ago) link
the dude in Beak> sounds kind of like Jaki Liebezeit
― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
my favorite Pram song, one of my alltime favorite songs period, is "Chrysalis".
― yes, i have seen the documentary (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
i think the guy on the vid is their current drummer. i dig him just fine but you should check out mid period pram (helium & sargasso sea plus the eps from that era) for some serious jaki grooves.
― cock chirea, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6csU_OLskUo
isn't that Geoff Barrow (main Portishead dude)?
― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:40 AM (2 hours ago)
lol same video i posted yesterday. great tho!
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:11 AM (3 hours ago)
fight
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
i wish Pram's singer didn't sound like Laetitia Sadier so much
― nostormo, Wednesday, 4 December 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
Jaki seemed like a wonderful old fellow, really enjoying himself and delighted with sheer love being beamed at him by the audience... I'm sure H-J didn't mind, he's Jaki Liebezeit after all.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link
(xp) There was an interview and Q&A after the gig and Jaki explained why he'd abandoned the traditional jazz/rock kit, he called the hi-hat, the "Charleston Machine ", because he said it was added to the drumkit at the time of the Charleston craze... don't know if that's true but it's a good story!
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link
going to miss Jaki tonight because of various things, but good luck emil.y!
― feargal czukay (NickB), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
emil.y please wear a vest (chain mail optional) and then think about irmin s in this videoyou could also pull some of those dance moveshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nHr44vE9I
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
This will mean nothing to American ILXors and very little to UK ILXors either, but this guy was at the gig last night, goin' apeshit.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
but Liebezeit is making me wobble
i see what u did there
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Jaki was very much shy/not speaking much English, but Jochen is so so nice. But even just being around for the soundcheck, where drum tests are always the worst part, and I just thought... this is not the worst, it's the fucking drummer from Can. Holy crap. I am a ridiculous human, mind you.
― emil.y, Thursday, 18 June 2015 03:05 (eight years ago) link
Also we were trying to take sneaky photos backstage but then they took photos of us. <3 <3 <3
― emil.y, Thursday, 18 June 2015 03:07 (eight years ago) link
Wow!
― the discreet charm of the georgeoisie (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
I'm glad it was a positive experience!! I want him to live forever if possible.
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
Unless he wants to retire his human half and carry on as a machine. That'd be ok.
― Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
Picked up Cyclopean at the store today, Irmin Schmidt is on it too -- reminds me a lot of the Secret Rhythms stuff (Burnt Friedman is on it too)It's really short and sounds like one long song. I like it.
― La Lechera, Saturday, 15 August 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link
The Baker family are sad to announce that Ginger is critically ill in hospital. Please keep him in your prayers tonight— Ginger Baker (@GingerBDrums) September 25, 2019
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lncs2pjrau4
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1nw-G4_bVk
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:25 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vNcgL9Fi4w
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/prog-rock-grooves-jaki-liebezeit-the-nature-of-rhythm-tickets-119431766629a tribute toi Jaki as part of the Culture NIght celebration tonight.not sure what status is on tickets and how limited tehy are so best to try to book one as soon as you see this if you can.
― Stevolende, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:17 (three years ago) link
THis worked while the event was livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkWUDCZ6QA
or asa Url www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkWUDCZ6QA
― Stevolende, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
ok, that link appears to start at about the right place. I noticed the one i had on Facebook started 3hrs and 9 minutes into a longer recording. Looks like that's bookmarked at the right point though
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 September 2020 10:36 (three years ago) link