I wish these guys would get into D&D or Pathfinder or something for a more productive channeling of their energies and need for explicit rules and structure written out in manual form
― An Android Pug of Some Kind? (kingfish), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
this thread has presented me with a variety of british accents I never knew existed
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link
my favorite british accent is from ulster.
― ian, Thursday, 28 November 2013 02:09 (ten years ago) link
how many people got killed by people into the 'freeman' movement ?
― Sébastien, Thursday, 28 November 2013 02:46 (ten years ago) link
the Anti-Defamation League published a report that described the so-called “sovereign citizen movement” as “one of the most problematic domestic extremist movements in the United States,” attracting mostly middle-aged or older men who are financially stressed, angry at government regulation or who want “something for nothing.”The report cited the 2010 shooting deaths of two West Memphis, Ark., police officers during a traffic stop. The suspects, a father and son who were later killed in a shootout with police, belonged to the sovereign citizen movement.
The report cited the 2010 shooting deaths of two West Memphis, Ark., police officers during a traffic stop. The suspects, a father and son who were later killed in a shootout with police, belonged to the sovereign citizen movement.
2 at least.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 28 November 2013 02:59 (ten years ago) link
It seems sorta like morgellons to me.
― how's life, Thursday, 28 November 2013 10:24 (ten years ago) link
Brits out
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 November 2013 12:16 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_West_Memphis_police_shootings#Background
The day after the shootings, Arkansas State Police identified the suspects as 45-year-old Jerry R. Kane Jr. and his 16-year-old son Joseph T. Kane. Jerry Kane had expressed sentiment against federal and local government online, and was accused of doing the same in person. Kane served three days in jail near Carrizozo, New Mexico for driving without a license and concealing his identity. He posted a $1,500 bond. After that incident, he complained of a "Nazi checkpoint".[citation needed]Based on a 2004 conversation with Jerry Kane, Clark County Sheriff Gene Kelly expressed concern that Kane would be dangerous toward law enforcement. According to Kelly, Kane had complained about being "enslaved" by a judge who had sentenced him to serve six days of community service for driving with an expired license plate and no seat belt.[citation needed]Insurance analyst J. J. MacNab observed that Kane ran a debt evasion business.[6] Jerry Kane also posted $10,000 bond (which a judge later ordered forfeited) on charges of forgery and attempted grand theft of a motor vehicle filed in Miamisburg, Ohio. Although Kane was arrested in New Mexico, he was never extradited to Ohio
Based on a 2004 conversation with Jerry Kane, Clark County Sheriff Gene Kelly expressed concern that Kane would be dangerous toward law enforcement. According to Kelly, Kane had complained about being "enslaved" by a judge who had sentenced him to serve six days of community service for driving with an expired license plate and no seat belt.[citation needed]Insurance analyst J. J. MacNab observed that Kane ran a debt evasion business.[6] Jerry Kane also posted $10,000 bond (which a judge later ordered forfeited) on charges of forgery and attempted grand theft of a motor vehicle filed in Miamisburg, Ohio. Although Kane was arrested in New Mexico, he was never extradited to Ohio
seems they were quite into that lifestyle and their crazy believes triggered the incident.
― Sébastien, Thursday, 28 November 2013 13:14 (ten years ago) link
operation endearing freeman
― am0n, Thursday, 28 November 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if the shootings have informed this heavy emphasis the UK guys place on being peacable, or if it's just that the UK guys have nothing to defend themselves with if the cops decide to break out the batons
― Noodle of the Vague family (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 28 November 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
Kane had complained about being "enslaved" by a judge who had sentenced him to serve six days of community service for driving with an expired license plate and no seat belt.
it's always petty shit that drives these people nuts.
what a horrible story. i hope that son can break free of his dad's influence in whatever is left of his life.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 30 November 2013 06:19 (ten years ago) link
What's a debt evasion business? Teaching people to evade their debts? And then mailing them a bill afterwards and hoping they didn't learn too much?
― Panaïs Pnin (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 1 December 2013 04:17 (ten years ago) link
i'm shocked that this shit has made it over to the UK -- i thought that this was 100% American crackpottery that wouldn't translate to any other culture.
― spread to fuck the fruit (Eisbaer), Sunday, 1 December 2013 05:23 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, we should get royalties.
― how's life, Sunday, 1 December 2013 11:57 (ten years ago) link
it's as if the impulse to making up bullshit "historical" reasons to justify your personal selfishness was universal
― thighs without a face (c sharp major), Sunday, 1 December 2013 13:04 (ten years ago) link
Never underestimate the capacity of cretinous British ppl to copy American stuff verbatim off the internet and ignoring whether it is remotely applicable to their own context- like when British racists copy n paste whinges about being asked to press 1 for English or 2 for Spanish
― a multimillionaire’s flippant reference to a “ho” (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 1 December 2013 13:09 (ten years ago) link
and to ignore
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/us/citizens-without-a-country-wage-battle-with-liens.html?_r=0
But as Sheriff Stanek soon learned, the liens, legal claims on property to secure the payment of a debt, were just the earliest salvos in a war of paper, waged by a couple who had lost their home to foreclosure in 2009 — a tactic that, with the spread of an anti-government ideology known as the “sovereign citizen” movement, is being employed more frequently as a way to retaliate against perceived injustices.
Over the next three years, the couple, Thomas and Lisa Eilertson, filed more than $250 billion in liens, demands for compensatory damages and other claims against more than a dozen people, including the sheriff, county attorneys, the Hennepin County registrar of titles and other court officials.
“It affects your credit rating, it affected my wife, it affected my children,” Sheriff Stanek said of the liens. “We spent countless hours trying to undo it.”
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 1 December 2013 13:30 (ten years ago) link
lol fuck that sherrif.
― a multimillionaire’s flippant reference to a “ho” (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 1 December 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojZr6k2ksls
― first rule of franco club (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:30 (ten years ago) link
Real England tbh but
― first rule of franco club (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:31 (ten years ago) link
I'm assuming the bailiffs went away, came back with the correct paperwork, and took this guy's house.
― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:17 (ten years ago) link
lol the end when they tell the attendant police "you're gonna be heroes online".
― oppet, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/28/sovereign-citizen-killed-in-shootout-with-ohio-deputies-serving-arrest-warrant/
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Friday, 28 March 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link
Live free, then die.
― WmC, Friday, 28 March 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
did they take his gun from his cold, dead hand?
― invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Friday, 28 March 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link
So many good quotes, I can barely choose.
“He was approaching the law from what he thought was a studious basis,” said Middleburg Heights Prosecutor Peter Hull. “He seemed to have a real sense that an injustice was being done [to him].”
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 28 March 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link
And Middleburg Heights isn't some back-country cowtown, it's a decent sized Cleveland suburb just east of where I went to college.
― bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Friday, 28 March 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link
Commenter OTM:
Artor • 36 minutes agoHuh. If he thought he was not governed by the laws of the US, why did he think his 2nd & 14th Amendment rights were violated? This is the funny part of the Sovereign Citizen movement. They think the law doesn't apply, but that there is somehow a loophole in the law that lets them avoid it. Which is it? Does the law not apply, or does the law provide a way to weasel out of it? You can't pick both options, but it takes two brain cells to rub together to be able to realize that.
― bizarro gazzara, Friday, 28 March 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link
Welllll, sort of. I don't know about this guy but he could simultaneously believe that he wasn't bound by US law but that local officials who weren't in on the secret parallel shadow government should still treat him according to its tenets.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 28 March 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link
Artor with the classic "as a rational person let me tell you how irrational your beliefs are" gambit
― invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Friday, 28 March 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link
The common law largely springs from royal decrees and even if you adopt the modern idea of sovereignty as stemming from the crown in parliament, the obvious assumption is that no individual is sovereign, not even the monarch.
― già, ya, déjà, ja, yeah, whatever... (Michael White), Friday, 28 March 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFE7qpFq-G4
copper in this one is quite sweet
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Monday, 28 April 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link
when you see it in action like that, it's p close to str8 evil isnt it
― james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Monday, 28 April 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link
evil plus boneheaded, the deadliest combination
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Monday, 28 April 2014 06:19 (ten years ago) link
this seems like some extreme kind of psychosis in action, doesn't it?
― it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:15 (ten years ago) link
in a way, so do most non-mainstream worldviews/conspiracy theories? i guess this is the bit that i find interesting about them - a creative elaboration of how the world is based on the same evidence that others draw more mundane conclusions from. problem with the Freemen iteration is that in the end their worldview is very stilted, repetitive, uncreative.
― you poll a lot, but you're not saying anything (Noodle Vague), Monday, 28 April 2014 08:21 (ten years ago) link
"Sovereign Citizen" arrested for shooting a Bureau of Land Management ranger claims he's an "Attorney General of the United States":
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/blm-shooting-suspect-statutory-attorney-general
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link
Under 18 U.S.C. Section 6, I am an agency of the United States.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JvrN-SrPXug/UJdOM7qKhhI/AAAAAAAAT5A/XgCtXYfVsg0/s1600/outoftheloopcd3.jpg
― how's life, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
Earlier this month, one of them opened fire on a courthouse in Georgia, hit a cop, and that was that for the dude.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/06/06/sovereign-citizen-is-suspected-in-georgia-courthouse-shooting/
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
otm
― houllier than thou (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 June 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
the system works!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
Apparently, it will be easier to die in a blaze of courthouse glory when Georgia's new concealed carry law kicks in. Meanwhile, US State Dept. advices those who want to renounce citizenship:http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship-right-of-residence.html
― dow, Thursday, 19 June 2014 01:06 (nine years ago) link
Of course, that's the legal not the Lawful way (to Hell).
― dow, Thursday, 19 June 2014 01:07 (nine years ago) link
Oh, and as recounted in the original biography of John Nash, A Beautiful Mind (the book is so much richer and more worthwhile than the movie---no Imaginary Friends and Enemies, for a start), he's inspired by a guy who sought to renounce Cold War American citizenship and become the first Citizen of the World. So Nash, schizzed-out, goes to Europe, attempting to follow in the footsteps of his hero (who deserves his own book; blanking on the guy's name, else I'd look him up right now).
― dow, Thursday, 19 June 2014 01:16 (nine years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Davis
this guy?
― Kevin from Blechgium (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 June 2014 06:23 (nine years ago) link
suggest me a site i can draw a graphic online and post it and i'll show you- nothing coming up on google― 30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://sketchtoy.com/
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― how's life, Thursday, 19 June 2014 13:55 (nine years ago) link
i feel like the "freeman" folk are like poststructuralists who don't really dare to accept the logic of their own worldview
― I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 19 June 2014 14:22 (nine years ago) link
stop trying to assign smart words to such bafflingly dumb people
― it's not a fedora, it's a trill bae (m bison), Thursday, 19 June 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
also don't use sovereign citizens as just another pretext to shit on your academic bugbears
― j., Thursday, 19 June 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link