"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

if i to guess which way the property developers went after the fall it's prob 30 legal route to freedom/40 freemen/30 angel cult

16. "I feel 'guilty', because I owe the money". No, you don't owe a damn thing! When taking out the loan, you were 'loaned' back what was yours in the first place. You created the 'money' when you signed the Loan or Credit Application. By doing so, YOU gave THEM a Negotiable Instrument called 'the money'. They cashed this in(*), and then used that to loan you back your own money. You don't owe a damn thing! THEY owe YOU - an apology at the very least - for applying this confidence trick on you - AND FOR CHASING YOU FOR SOMETHING YOU ALREADY GAVE THEM.

(* Actually they just could have walked away with your cash. But they didn't, because they are greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy. They knew they could get you to pay everything back, and also to pay them INTEREST on top of that. Thus they had already been paid in full ONCE when they cashed in on your money, took a risk by offering it back to you, and reckoned on being paid TWICE OR EVEN MORE via the 'interest'. Are you just beginning to feel slightly less sympathetic? If not, I don't know what else to say.

"Can this really be true?" Answer: Yes, because there is no other way. Banks are not allowed (by LAW) to lend Depositor's money (which is held by them 'in trust'). Loan Companies and Credit Card Companies (etc.) have no Deposit Money in the first place! Do they? So how else could they do it, then?)

now i like to think of myself as a literate, tolerably intelligent bloke but

by all means bring other comedy cults into the party, i was not aware of this angel stuff

The FBI considers "sovereign citizen extremists" to be part of a domestic terrorist movement

cogent approach this imo

Angry at you for sending me down a youtube rabbit hole when I really should be going to bed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdY6EYzhT2I

suggest me a site i can draw a graphic online and post it and i'll show you- nothing coming up on google

Elizabeth Watson, aka Elizabeth of the Watson Family, who came to public attention in 2011 as a self-styled legal adviser in the Victoria Haigh child custody case, was given a nine-month suspended sentence for contempt of court. She had written "no contract" on court documents, denied the lawful authority of the proceedings, and used the "of the ..... family" format when referring to Ms Haigh and herself. (The custody case had concerned false allegations that the child's father was a paedophile.)[3]
Mark Bond, aka Mark of the Family Bond, a Norfolk, England odd-job man, was arrested in 2010 for non-payment of council tax, despite handing police a "notice of intent" stating that he was no longer a UK citizen. He told police that the notice had already been delivered to the Queen and the prime minister. He told the local paper: "Today I asked the judge to walk into the court under common law and not commercial law. If I had entered under commercial law it would prove that I accepted its law. I was denied my rights to go in there." He was sentenced to three months custody, suspended on condition that he pay off the debt at £20 a week.[4]
Bobby Sludds, appeared in court in County Wexford in Ireland charged with various motoring offences including two counts of no insurance. Before the police began to give evidence, the accused handed in a letter stating he was not Mr Sludds but Bobby of the family Sludds and questioning the use of the word 'person' in the charge. He was given two suspended sentences and a fine of €670. (He had 24 previous convictions for motoring offences.)[5]
Wilfred Keith Thompson and two others were arrested by police in Guelph, Ontario (Canada), charged with break, enter and theft as well as firearms offences. Thompson had previously made headlines for informing City Hall, local police, Guelph MP Frank Valeriote, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and other officials he is "an autonomous being not controlled by others". One of his co-defendants, Trevor “Red” De Block, refused to identify himself to the court, though it was said that his criminal mug shot, computer records, tattoos and other information confirmed his identity. "I object," De Block said, adding that he was not the "rightful owner" of his name, but refusing to clarify or participate in legal proceedings. "I don’t bow down to bail [sic] . . . to false gods," he said, and rejected assistance from the appointed lawyer. Thompson and De Block were denied bail.[6]
Dean Marshall, of Preston, East Riding of Yorkshire, England, was taken to court after he was found to be growing 26 cannabis plants in his garden shed. Claiming he was a Freeman on the Land and therefore not guilty, he then attempted to call up Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron as his witnesses, although he was told that neither were available to attend. A jury at Hull Crown Court dismissed his claims and convicted him of conspiracy to produce cannabis for which he was given a 12-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was ordered to carry out 150 hours of unpaid work. [7]
Doug Jones, of Pembroke Dock, Wales, spent 22 days in prison after refusing to take a breath test. Jones questioned the authority and jurisdiction of the court, asking to see the judge's 'Oath of Office' which resulted in a sentence of fourteen days for contempt of court. He was sentenced to a further seven days after failing to attend a second hearing, but pleaded guilty to the original charges, receiving an endorsement on his driving license. His interest in the Freemen on the Land movement started after watching documentaries on conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings. His solicitor, Phillipa Ashworth, stated “On this occasion, in hindsight he appreciates it was not the time to test out philosophical theories behind this approach to life, and in hindsight it isn’t something he would do again.”[8]
Gavin Kaylhem, of Grimsby, England, wilfully refused to pay his council tax debts of £1,268.54 accrued between 2001 and 2008 and was sentenced to 30 days imprisonment. He had claimed that he was a "Freeman" and thus had no contractual duty under Common Law to pay. He refused to co-operate with magistrates' questions.[9]

Oh yeah

ownership of the name

if we wrote out to these lads they sent us back in a charge of one pound of gold for use of their name, which they owned the rights to

great bunch of lads, tho. gave us many's the laugh, and never sent us dog shit or whatever

Dennis Larry Meads of Edmonton, Alberta, stormed out of a Court of Queen's Bench hearing on June 8, 2012, related to his divorce and matrimonial property case. In response, Associate Chief Justice John D. Rooke wrote a lengthy and comprehensive 185-page judgment rejecting various freemen claims, grouping them with other pseudolegal arguments as "Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments" (OPCA), specifically, in this case, Meads' Freeman on the Land claims, arguments and documents,[11] saying that:
The bluntly idiotic substance of Mr. Mead’s argument explains the unnecessarily complicated manner in which it was presented. OPCA arguments are never sold to their customers as simple ideas, but instead are byzantine schemes which more closely resemble the plot of a dark fantasy novel than anything else. Latin maxims and powerful sounding language are often used. Documents are often ornamented with many strange marking and seals. Litigants engage in peculiar, ritual‑like in court conduct. All these features appear necessary for gurus to market OPCA schemes to their often desperate, ill‑informed, mentally disturbed, or legally abusive customers. This is crucial to understand the non-substance of any OPCA concept or strategy. The story and process of a OPCA scheme is not intended to impress or convince the Courts, but rather to impress the guru’s customer.[10] [emphasis in original]

thats the stuff judge

i am sort of mildly amused by them but mostly they are too stupid and po-faced to be delightful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodolphus_Allen_Family_Private_Trust

oh yeah i've dealt with these guys you'll want to read this

that lad from Preston in East Yorks, i wonder if he is one of the guys in that first vid i posted which also comes from round our way

i'm kind of amused how at some point (usually fairly early) in these shenanigans the police or court officials don't even bother explaining why the freeman is so wrong, they just bust out the handcuffs and violence inherent in the system

soref on the money tho i shd save this nonsense for tomorrow

tbf a powerful challenge to the very heart of the ruling system must be smacked down before the ring of truth be heard from every rooftop (repossessed)

If you think creating a Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right is the hard bit, then think again. You've only just begun, to quote a '60s song by The Carpenters.

riddled with inaccuracies, like i thought

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLgnpb1XmW4

I was looking at the youtube channel of one of these people he was on the crystal maze in the 90s, he has videos of him and his team in the pub with Richard O'Brien:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvSVKWwsInA

Oh wow, he was on the team that only won one crystal! I remember this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LgOPl4the4

http://www.awakeradio.co.uk/

lots of conspiracy stuff i find really boring but i love this sort of shit

when i say "love it" i don't mean like "i love crazy anti-semites" just i am entertained

I'm so excited that you have these people too! I thought it was an American peculiarity.

he then attempted to call up Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron as his witnesses, although he was told that neither were available to attend.

l. ol. ol. ol.

i didn't realise at first that they originated in the US, the legal mumbo jumbo sounds like it wd be very nation-specific, but then i found out of course internet quackery mutates quickly enough

I'm a U.S. criminal defense lawyer, and I represented one of these guys. It was a hoot. He simply refused to accept reality as it solidified around him. Nice enough fellow, but batty as all get out.

From the OP:

Once you know the deception, and what the law actually is, you'll realise how the wool has been firmly and deliberately pulled over your eyes, your parent's eyes, and those of everyone you know.

Um, "everyone you know" is a pretty good definition of the society you live in, and coming up with a definition of "the law" that is at odds with the entire society you live in is as good a way as any to bring the judgment of that society down on your head. The law isn't some magic incantation known to the few, like Mephistopheles summoning the devil, and when you learn it you can command it to do your bidding.

Now see that's where you're wrong. All you have to do is refer to yourself in all caps and you can redeem your true self back from the government. That'll show 'em.

correction: Faust summoning Mephistopheles

clarification: correcting myself, that is

Good stuff:

Some people have decided they will not surrender their fingerprints - it's none of their business, they say. Some have been successful in making this stand and have not been harmed. Others have been beat up for refusing. One of our citizens shared this story of refusing to give his fingerprints:

"We're taking your prints."

"Oh no you're not, they're my property."

Then four big troopers were brought in and this poor fellow, who is only about 5' 7" tall and weighs about 130 pounds, was thrown to the ground and all four of them began beating on him. To defend himself, he rolled up into a ball. He pulled in as hard as possible while these guys kicked him. Finally he cried out, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

http://goingtojail.embassyofheaven.com/

Our greatest conflict has been with State driver and vehicle licensing. We have spent many years perfecting our Church documents so that we will not be a stumbling stone to the world. We would like the world to receive us, but we will not compromise our Heavenly citizenship and ambassadorial status.

Today, many police officers have recognized our Church traveling documents. Some have seen the Heaven plates on our vehicles and have said they will never cite us. We have ambassadors who travel from State to State preaching Heaven's message in Church vehicles. When they stop at State border inspection points, the officers might notice the Heaven plates, but they flag us on through. Ambassadors have even gone into Mexico and back. There's been three border patrol officers studying the front plate and two on the back, wondering how these Heaven plates could be, yet they flag us on through. They apparently recognize the Church as having been sent by God.

Every once in awhile we end up with a community that will not accept one of our ambassadors. They see him traveling in a Church vehicle and they cite him or throw him in jail.53 Luke 21:12-13 "But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony." They may stack the charges on thick and turn the furnace up seven times hotter. This gives us an opportunity to testify of another authority, one called Jesus. The city officials may get jealous, but as they practice their wickedness, eyes are opened to the light. We are grateful for the conversions made as we humbly suffer in their courtrooms and jails.

Sure is a shame for being persecuted for merely vomiting your incoherent message all over an unmasking public.

...they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the... prisons

To their way of thinking, god promised them they'd go to prison for doing this shit. Then they do it and sure enough they are put in jail. Therefore, it confirms that their god is indeed a powerful god, who knows what's what, and the Bible is OMG ALL TRUE!!

and they'll know we are Christians...by our guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNhsRjsw4Yc&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5BED8DBAD7C515EF

conclusive evidence that if you talk bollocks in a magistrate's court you are outside of the law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iWCCBhDZlc

cycling vigilantes, this is a new one

This is amusing and frightening that it's somehow become more prevalent than just America

i love the way they backslap each other on these videos showing how the police are powerless to deal with them but i desperately want to see the bits they haven't filmed where they get a proper kicking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xuv_AOC1nQ&feature=c4-overview&list=UUE28F7WMG2mqpbLokfIKsJg

seriously this guy is wonderful tho, he appears to go round on his bike looking for drivers to have a fight with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjv20sC5CY

yay, Canada bringing the FREEDOM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9yqBD8i07E

tbh winding up rozzers is fairly lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkM3Hc9Opxg

full on donnybrook, no idea what it's about tbh, lot of shouting about oaths and unlawfulness

Hitler was right:

Could have stopped there tbh

Not had a chance to look at vids cos I cant play them on this phone.
So may be missing ones talking about Irish alternative scene. I know that this Freeman thing was becoming popular a couple of years back. I heard of a few instances when I was on the Solidarity Camp. I also know that some people were aware of its origins and were trying to enlighten those interested in following the creed to its folly. So I'm surprised it retains popularity since I thought people had copped onto its flaws.
Otoh you can see why it would be attractive if it did work. Autonomy and self-responsibility are very attractive traits. Creeds adopted from right-wing Xian separatists shouldn't be. Unfortunately there is a major overlap.

i'm as sympathetic to anarchist politics as the next layabout but really if you want to devolve from the State you don't need a pseudo-legal fairy tale to justify it

And doing it cos you owes phat cash is a cunts yarn

^^^

again i am sympathetic to fucking with banks but

Guelph MP Frank Valeriote

Incidentally what's this? You have Ghibellines as well in Canada?

it gets worse when a pint of whiskey is 375ml, gtfo with that shit, that's not much more than a half!

yeah, I like to buy Austrian gruner vetliner because they bottles are actual liters rather than 750mm

The sign is a master class in crank legal thinking.

jimbeaux as of now I decree that replying in this thread requires that you deliver me 1 troy ounce of gold

I will accept payment by registered carrier pigeon

spent a torturous new years eve attempting to disprove a fellas sincerely held view that a pint glass of cider is 500ml plus 68ml worth of ice

now youd have said that was easily disproven but id spent all day proving it and was getting worse at carrying out the practical demos as the year waned

sometimes in the US now they give you 16 oz & 20 oz options which I think takes this discrepancy into account?

and darragh I expect those two ounces by next Tuesday tyvm

xp I generally choose my battles, but I would derive great joy from hovering a small drone around this kook's yard

haha "I don't see anything about drones in the fine print"

you cauld call it the magna darta

*ahem*

"Vehicles manned or remotely operated"

You have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one past the Attorney in Fact.

wherein I reply that, in fact, my drone is not a 'vehicle' but a protected tool of self-expression (akin to a laser pointer), and therefore falls outside of this localized statute

he may own the land, but not the airspace a few feet above the garden

According to precedent, the property is his from the center of the earth to the upper limits of the atmosphere. All rights reserved.

If I remember correctly, there are actually some seminal court cases about planes trespassing over a property owner’s airspace (upshot: planes can fly over your suburban two-up two-down).

Sure, as long as they pay a fine of 100 ounces of iridium, avoirdupois.

Thought this revive was around the anniversary of what happened in my home state a year ago:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-10/wieambilla-police-shootings-one-year-mccrow-arnold-dare-train/103086748

A school principle, and his brother who was now married to his divorced wife (also a public school employee) executing two police and a neighbour, injuring two other police, for stepping onto their property. The police were following up a missing persons report on the principle.

I went down the rabbithole of this when it happened, finding their online posting and seeing conspiracy sites scrub their forum and news posts in real time the same day the events happened. Depressing. A man was just arrested in Arizona for inciting the shooting, close contact, celebrating them right after their deaths for taking down the demons of the new world order

Sure, as long as they pay a fine of 100 ounces of iridium, avoirdupois.

Airspace, like territorial waters, is purely a sovereignty issue, so you can see why it would attract sovcit types to try to assert it as their sovereign domain.

what about tunneling and burrowing around under their houses?

Property rights extend subsurface.

How far down though?

To the start of the Devonian.

This judge isn’t messing about. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/courts/ni-judge-hits-out-at-pseudo-legal-nonsense-after-defendant-insists-he-is-a-supreme-being/a90840192.html

“The word ‘understand’ also appears to cause him confusion as he repeatedly utters with theatrical flourish ‘I stand under no one.’ "

lol the weakest of weak sauce

Fugitive US Militant Ammon Bundy Geolocated to Utah

I’m very sleepy so I initially misread the quote from the professor as Bundy describing his family and followers as wicked and was like “oh shit, stopped clock”

Good, now that they know exactly where this asshole has been hiding, we can rest assured that nothing will be done.