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Trying to anNEU us!

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 26 February 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

It's actively putting me off Oasis, so that's a result.

Because they were so appealing before they appeared on a Neu! tribute comp, my GOD what have they done!

ilxor, Thursday, 26 February 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link

For some awful moment, I thought Oasis were doing a Neu Cover for the album, now the result doesn't seems so bad after that.

If this album makes even one Kasabian & Oasis fan think "This is great, why am i listening to that pish?" then it will have done good in this world.

Hamildan, Thursday, 26 February 2009 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link

No-one remembers this but when Kasabian were a totally new band they were promoted completely differently to once people actually started giving a shit abt them - they were like these trippy waster guys who lived in a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere and listened to Neu! and Floyd and Boards of Canada and jammed all day. Then it became apparent that the arena chant element was much stronger/more sellable and that was how it went

Luka ModReq (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 February 2009 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Perhaps the "arena chant element" is more sellable, but I wouldn't exactly call it a strength.

Oh, but I digress...

ilxor, Thursday, 26 February 2009 23:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't get what that album is meant to be

Plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 27 February 2009 01:28 (fifteen years ago) link

To my great shame, I saw Kasabian once, in Columbia, Missouri. My boss at work quasi-forced me to go. They actually weren't that bad or good, but what made it pathetic was that there were maybe 20-25 really bored people there at the bar, and yet Kasabian acted like arena megastars onstage.

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Friday, 27 February 2009 01:34 (fifteen years ago) link

But anyways, Neu! couldn't be more classic.

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Friday, 27 February 2009 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

related note: there are literal arena chants on the La Dusseldorf LP.

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 27 February 2009 01:40 (fifteen years ago) link

The First La Dusseldorf album is my favourite krautrocky album ever.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 27 February 2009 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

The video for Viva is incredible

I shall always respect my elders (Z S), Friday, 27 February 2009 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...


Exclusive: Michael Rother Reveals Plans to Release Five-LP Neu! Box Set, Aims to Form Super-group with John Frustiante, Flea, Benjamin Curtis and Josh Klinghoffer
9/4/2009 By Brock Thiessen

Despite a series of reissues, scoring a Neu! album on vinyl is no easy task. Almost as quickly as they were released, each album by the Krautrock legends has gone out of print on LP, even those re-released in 2001, forcing fans to search far and wide for a copy, and to pay a pretty penny once they find one. However, this will soon change when Neu! release an upcoming five-LP box set that will collect all of the band’s previously released material and several unheard recordings.

In a recent interview, the group’s sole surviving member Michael Rother broke the news of the box set. “The idea is to release the vinyl box set by the end of this year, but that would mean I can’t sleep tonight and for the rest of the year,” Rother told Exclaim! “I will do my best, though. I’m serious about that... The idea is to collect all of Neu!’s music, all of the recordings, and to make that available legally for fans. Also, we want to collect texts that have been written about Neu!, photos that haven’t been shown of Neu!, to show the bandwidth of Neu!”

Rother went on to explain that the box would feature five LPs, the first three being the albums Neu!, Neu! 2 and Neu! 75. However, the final two records will be the main draw for hardcore followers, who will finally see a proper, legal release of the band’s infamous Neu! 4 (or Neu! 86, as Rother prefers to call it) and ’72 Live! In Dusseldorf, both of which will be remastered, revamped and include new, previously unheard tracks.

Neu! 4 and ’72 Live! were previously released by Rother’s late musical partner Klaus Dinger, who put out the records in the late ’90s though Japanese label Captain Trip before passing away in 2008. However, neither came with Rother’s seal of approval.

“That was a very sad story,” Rother says of Neu! 4’s illegitimate release. “(Klaus) sent me a congratulatory fax in late 1995 saying, “Congratulations, Neu! 4 will be out in Japan tomorrow.” That was very funny because when we stopped working on that project in ’86, we sealed the tapes and agreed to meet again at a later time. But, well, things got worse with Klaus.

“Once on his website, he wrote he was proud of taking more than 1,000 LCD trips and definitely some other substances. That put him apart from most people. He was in a different orbit. I must not forget of course to point out that Klaus was a great artist and drummer and collaborator, but he was a very, very difficult person and he grew more difficult over the years, and that culminated in the early ’90s.”

Rother says he plans to make edits of ’72 Live! and to substantially add to and change up Neu! 4. “Klaus added some material that I would have not used,” he explains. “The commercial trash for instance, it’s not so interesting anymore. It wasn’t so interesting in the ’80s. And there are some recordings I discovered in my archives that I actually had forgotten, recordings we did in the first studio that we didn’t continue working on. So I’m reflecting on many ideas, making changes and listening to that material... I’m also quite optimistic that what I find will find more recognition than the release Klaus did in the ’90s with some of that [added] material.”

Along with the five LPs, the box set will include a huge vinyl-sized booklet, Rother says, featuring various essay on Neu!, as well as several previously unseen photographs from throughout the group’s career. Among those photos, Rother revealed that several will be by Anton Corbijn, the famed photographer who has shot everyone from Tom Waits to U2, Nick Cave and Miles Davis, and directed the Joy Division biopic Control.

“Anton Corbijn did a photo session with Neu! in 2000. Unfortunately, at the time Klaus said no, and we couldn’t release the photos. He didn’t like them,” Rother says. “At the time, Klaus was still quite unhappy and he looked very fierce in some of the photos. I’m just guessing that he was astonished when he saw the photos and that’s why he didn’t want others to see them. They are interesting photos. One is actually even quite funny, I can tell you, because it was a spontaneous situation where we tried to shake hands but the hands didn’t meet. I’m smiling at this and Klaus is looking at the camera with a sly look, and it is funny in a way.”

Also, if you prefer more digital musical formats, Rother says the new version of Neu! 4 will likely be released as a single CD and that even more previously unreleased Neu! material may come exclusively as downloads.

Meanwhile, Rother hopes to begin touring again next year and says that several big-name players will likely join him on the road.

“I’ve already contacted some of my musical friends, especially from the States,” he says. “You may know I’ve been working with John Frustiante [Red Chili Peppers’ guitarist], Benjamin Curtis [School of Seven Bells] and Josh Klinghoffer [Beck, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Gnarls Barkley] in recent years. My idea is to do this straight-forward Neu! idea, with strong beats, strong forward movement, crashing guitars and walls of sound on stage. Of course, we’d be doing my version of Neu!, some of the Harmonia tracks that I composed or contributed to in the ’70s and some of my solo stuff.

“That is something that would really make me get quite excited. And my friends — Flea would also love to be part of that project — they are all just waiting to hear about the ideas. Doing it really depends on finding a really good festival or doing a good several concerts. It will largely depend on my friends being available.”

When asked if he would record with this super-group, Rother replies, “Why not? I mean, it would be a unique opportunity to bring those people together and imagining the power of those three guitars is enough to make me jump around.”

As previously reported, Harmonia — the mid-’70s outfit helmed by Rother and Cluster’s Hans-Joachim Roedelius and Dieter Moebius — will release their long-lost album with Brian Eno, Tracks and Traces, on October 6 in North American through Grönland Records/High Wire Music.

Stayed tuned for our complete interview with Michael Rother at Exclaim.ca.


http://exclaim.ca/articles/generalarticlesynopsfullart.aspx?csid1=136&csid2=844&fid1=40910

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Weird.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link

worst super group ever

would absolutely like to hear Rothers take on Neu! 4 though

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Frusciante's good (Flea, well...) but this box set I'm all about.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I refuse to listen to anything Frusciante's done simply cuz he was in the RHCP which probably isn't fair, but really so what.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

His solo stuff is actually pretty cool! And this is coming from someone that downright despises the Chili Peppers.

Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Once on his website, he wrote he was proud of taking more than 1,000 LCD trips

http://www.pctechguide.com/images/57LCD.gif

helluva drug

am0n, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

His solo albums are totally different. Not that ive heard them much. Who wouldve thought him rejoining RHCP would coincide with their worst ever material though, so i dont blame anyone for wanting to avoid.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/Omegaman_UK/lcd/LCD5.gif

am0n, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link

That live '72 CD goes on way too long, but it does have moments so I would certainly check out the edit. And while I felt burned buying Neu! 4 for $26 in 1994 and getting that mess, once iTunes came along, the 3 or 4 good tracks started coming through

I saw Rother / Frusciante / Klinghoffer in concert in 2005 playing stuff from Rother's solo albums and they nailed it, I was sad they didn't do a live album, this is great news.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

more worried about flea's inclusion than frusciante

am0n, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link

"will release their long-lost album with Brian Eno, Tracks and Traces"

How can this album be long-lost? It was released on CD like a decade ago!

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought it was supposed to be a follow-up to tracks and traces like additional material from those sessions

am0n, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:13 (fourteen years ago) link

wiki: "In September 2009 an extended version of Tracks and Traces will be released by Gronland. The new album features three additional tracks from the Harmonia & Eno ´76 collaboration."

am0n, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link

So three additional long-lost tracks from a album of unreleased sketches. Sounds wonderful.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

frusciante's great

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Didn't the RHCP put a Harmonia track on a compilation album of influences?

The first few Neu albums aren't exactly hard to get find the last 5 years. I have the first three just picking them up from stores.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

This is all very "He's dead, so now I can do what I like"...

Which may well be better than what was there before, first three albums excepted.

(willing to be proved wrong tho)

Mark G, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm having difficulty imagining the Venn Diagram intersection between RHCP and School of Seven Bells, tbh.

hypermediocrity (Derelict), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

The first few Neu albums aren't exactly hard to get find the last 5 years. I have the first three just picking them up from stores.

on vinyl?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

This is all very "He's dead, so now I can do what I like"...

Yeah, I find this a bit awkward. Re-recording Neu 4, doing some kind of Neu tribute tour, etc.

Anyway, Frusciante is awesome - some people need to get past the whole RHCP thing.

spiny doughboy (baaderonixx), Thursday, 17 September 2009 07:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I just dug out "Live 72", for the hell of it.

Track one is actually sounding quite nice (four mins in, out of 32), but it's still a 'cassette recording of a practice/jam session' or something like it.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 08:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe if they re-recorded new versions of tracks, rather than patch up some bad recordings, this could be something...

As I said yesterday, I have an open mind about it, but still suspect this will not be ...)

Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 08:36 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw those first 3 neu albums on vinyl in hmv just the other day

just sayin, Thursday, 17 September 2009 08:45 (fourteen years ago) link

A quick skip on ebay shows loads of copies of "original" UA pressings for buyitnow prices (i.e. very good looking fakes), so theres a market for LP versions I guess.

The EMI reissues are possibly collectable, the true original UA issues are probably not due to all the good fakes.

xpost well there you go.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 08:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Bought Brain pressings a couple of years ago, took me a few months. Vinyl's good on all of them, covers VG I'd say.
Love (the mp3's of) Neu!4 in their own quirky way (not La Düsseldorf quirky but still highly entertaining) and am interested as to what Rother will make of that release.
I can relate to the doubts expressed in this thread ("He's dead, so now I can do what I like"...) but I also think that because of Dinger's attitude a lot of the stuff that could have been released hasn't. I just hope Rother doesn't add too many "tasteful accents" to the original material... As to the tour - I don't know what to expect from that at all but I'm definitely going if I get a chance.

willem, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:02 (fourteen years ago) link

To be honest, if he goes out as "The Neu! Experience" and the band are tied down strongly to the material, it could be seriously awesome.

As MES once sang, "don't start improvising for fucks sake!"

Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Either way it sounds like utter bollocks to me. Anyway, Rother is full of it, "Neu 4" is great, OK so a few tracks are superfluous, but it's obvious which tracks those are and if you ignore them and concentrate on the core tracks it's much better than anything Rother was capable of producing on his own in 1986 - I shudder to think how it might have turned out if he'd had his way with it. Viva Klaus!

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:11 (fourteen years ago) link

They are interesting photos. One is actually even quite funny, I can tell you, because it was a spontaneous situation where we tried to shake hands but the hands didn’t meet. I’m smiling at this and Klaus is looking at the camera with a sly look, and it is funny in a way.”

I really, really want to see this.

Eugene Sander-Rygar (MPx4A), Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3831459404_be09fe3089.jpg
If it's anything like this one...

Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

http://www.neu2010.com

Enormous vinyl box set about to drop. Includes, for the first time, Neu! '86.

anagram, Thursday, 1 April 2010 09:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Some talk (ppl expressing their doubts about rother's possible "reworking" of the material that makes up Neu! '86) about that 6 months ago.
Info from Rother's site, from 02/2010:

Most of all I´m thrilled about the release of the album NEU! ´86 which Klaus Dinger and I originally recorded in 1985/86, but left unfinished back then and which led to some unfortunate problems between Klaus and myself in the 90s. I now completely reworked the album from original multitrack and master tapes, and unearthed a few yet unknown tracks which are essential for a full understanding of what Klaus and I focussed on for NEU! in the mid 80s. It was my aim to present Klaus Dinger´s musical strengths and visions just as much as my own ideas. The best musical result was to be my only guideline, not the ego. All during the emotional process of reworking our album Klaus was on my mind and I contemplated what he would think about my decisions. I was very relieved and moved to hear from his heir, Miki Yui, who contributed many valuable ideas to the making of the box set, that she was pleased with the result presented with the album NEU! ´86."

So I suppose there won't be any tasteful newly recorded additions - looking forward to this, I must say.

Also, more dates for the temporary band he's put together (with Steve Shelley, Benjamin Curtis and Aaron Mullan) - performing Neu!, Harmonia and Rother tracks. Should be fun/great, nothing less!

willem, Thursday, 1 April 2010 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link

So I suppose there won't be any tasteful newly recorded additions

I hope not, I like it as it is!

Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 April 2010 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link

1971
Florian Schneider witnesses Michael Rother´s jam with Ralph Hütter in Kraftwerk´s Kling Klang Studio and invites Rother to join the band after Hütter´s retreat.
In the lineup Florian Schneider, Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother Kraftwerk play numerous concerts around Germany. They appear in one radio and two tv shows, i.e. the popular BEAT-CLUB. Schneider, Dinger and Rother perform “Rückstossgondoliero” (released in 2001 on the BEAT-CLUB dvd “Best of ´71”). The recording sessions for the second Kraftwerk album in the lineup Schneider/Dinger/Rother with Conny Plank as co-producer remain unsatisfactory and are terminated half-way through.

I really wish they'd stop mentioning to us how unsatisfactory those sessions were and just KICK DOWN

Milton Parker, Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Super stoked for those live dates tbh.

Astley Hunchings (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Michael Rother is listed as appearing at the Rough Trade East "Record Store Day" celebrations. I would have thought this would lead to the total collapse of Brick Lane and some sort of Fame style jam session in the streets, but it is definitely there in the advertising. Also Laurie Anderson.

PJ Miller, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Can Michael Rother just announce the date at the South Bank Centre and get it over with....

I'm desperate to see this after seeing him cut loose with the motorik beat at the Harmonia gig...

my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link

boxset now on sale http://www.neu2010-shop.com/content/produktdetail.aspx?a=11284&s=78

4 vinyl LPs & 1 vinyl maxi-single
- Original studio albums NEU!, NEU! 2, NEU! '75 and the for the first time, an official release of NEU! '86
- NEU! '72 (previously unreleased live maxi-single 20 minutes)
- 36-page picturebook & NEU! stencil
- Free download code for all albums via www.neu2010.com
- Free NEU! t-shirt (one of three designs)

all for an eyewatering €120

zappi, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

The way the euro is going, that might prove to be the cheaper option..

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link


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