absolutely fantastic
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
totes
― gbx, Monday, 25 November 2013 16:37 (ten years ago) link
and perfectly timed for thanksgiving-relative time! u_u
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
^^^ yes
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 November 2013 16:46 (ten years ago) link
wow you guys are like a 100% sure youre going to have to discuss the n word at thanksgiving im depressed now
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
about 90 percent sure
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 November 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
am spending Thanksgiving at the relative at whose house we had a raucous, cheerful debate last June about his disappointment that he couldn't use the n-word.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 November 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link
fuck
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
team tnc http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/black-pathology-and-the-closing-of-the-progressive-mind/284523/
― eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
Good as far as it goes, but the limitation of the late 19th/early 20th Century progressive mindset re residue and social hygiene is a familiar one, and what about the point made by some other African-American commentators, re actual residue:internalized expectations of failure? Also, being "too black" for acceptance by some, "too light/white" by others? He might well deal with such internalization elsewhere, but since he brought up the residue here, seems to beg the question a bit.
― dow, Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
a fairly familiar point or topic, I meant.
― dow, Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
what is... culture?
― lag∞n, Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
A summary, sort of:
http://gawker.com/public-intellectual-deathmatch-ta-nehisi-coates-jona-1554487845
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
that article is embarrassing ("Lookit what these eggheads are doing!").
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
ugh it even ends with an 'oh snap' gif
― some dude, Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
And yet somehow the comments manage to outdo it
― tsrobodo, Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
Filed to:SHADE
― balls, Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:37 (ten years ago) link
the dumbest motherfuckers in the world file copy for gawker media on the weekends. i don't know if they only pay the weekend warriors w/ hardee's coupons and hence this is the level of talent they attract or what but it's some embarrassing shit.
― balls, Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
looking forward to the gawker summation of the Derrida/Searle debate.
― ryan, Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
balls, you are making me think i could write some shit for gawker, im gonna pitch some ideas brb
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
― dow, Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:08 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eh there's also a point that "internalized expectations" have to do with ppl who aren't black can get away with acting like they deserve things (and then getting those things) but if you look a different way and you try the same shit you get smacked the fuck down
― eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
Oppression might well produce a culture of failure. It might also produce a warrior spirit and a deep commitment to attaining the very things which had been so often withheld from you. There is no need for theorizing. The answers are knowable.So this use of "also" had me expecting he was going to talk about both kinds of effect. And "residue" can be residual elements of white oppression's values internalized, so not like he has to reject the word itself as symptom of arrested development progressive sanctimony. I think it's a useful word, a reminder of the way bad shit seeps in and sticks around for the quiet moments. I gotta keep up with his blog, though.
― dow, Sunday, 30 March 2014 23:35 (ten years ago) link
coates debate w/ chait has been pretty fascinating, though admittedly more to read coates' pieces, which are really exceptional. especially coates' most recent one. chait's just aren't that powerful.
― marcos, Monday, 31 March 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
and i'm not going to read that gawker piece. gawker's already on my list of 1,000,000,000,000 places to avoid on the internet
― marcos, Monday, 31 March 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
If only there were someone on this board who worked at or ran gawker and could elucidate things
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Monday, 31 March 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
Chait can't hide his "I really want Democrats to win" subtext. He's a smarter Chuck Todd.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 March 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link
this:
(Chait goes on, but it's all very substantial and dense and thoughtful and that's not really what we're here for, is it?)
speaks volumes, really (i.e. we don't want to be substantial, dense or thoughtful around these parts)
― an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 31 March 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link
what if it meant something else tho makes u think
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 02:38 (ten years ago) link
its kinda a shame w this debate that chait is so wrong and operating from such a position of weakness cause he can be often pretty lucid but i feel like he just walked right into coats wheelhouse w/out thinking things through too much, like obvs coats is better anyway
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link
Maybe Chait will learn something from Coates latest response (on the 30th).
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
Oops, never mind, he did not
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/coates-disagrees-with-jonathan-chait-so-do-i.html
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/black-culture-and-progressivism/360362
Clare Sestanovitch discussion of the Chait and Coates debate and of others who weighed in on it
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 April 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link
Damn, this thing had legshttp://www.culturalfront.org/2014/04/the-coverage-of-ta-nehisi-coates-on.html
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
that's almost funny
― goole, Thursday, 10 April 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
Oh, have not read come of those conservative takes
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 April 2014 21:32 (ten years ago) link
some
max can you please also ban "oh shit," that gif, and any cheeky discussion of a serious debate as though it were a rap battle, particularly one about race?
― ביטקוין (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 April 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link
"Yeah. He went there." Actually just make sure this guy doesn't write anything else for gawker.
― ביטקוין (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 April 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/11/a-hammock-in-kentucky/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1
This Krugman v Williamson in NRO article relates
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 April 2014 22:00 (ten years ago) link
Just read conservative NY Times columnist Ross Douthat re Coates and Chait. What conservatives have learned from the debate, and from the Wiliamson NRO article on Appalachia, is to call all poor unemployed people getting food stamps, no matter their race or ethnic origin, lazy and lacking in morals and ethics.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 11 April 2014 13:51 (ten years ago) link
lol otm. Being part of the shiftless poor is a class thing, not a race thing man.
― ביטקוין (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 April 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link
Take your time. Read it all.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:25 (nine years ago) link
wow. really tremendous piece.
― Mordy, Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:39 (nine years ago) link
co-sign. great read.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:34 (nine years ago) link
yeah, thinking of sending this to a friend from abroad who's just moved to the states and seems a bit befuddled by race-in-america stuff.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:40 (nine years ago) link
I hope this gets a lot of attention. It certainly deserves it.
― Survivalist Compound Row (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 22 May 2014 06:14 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/personal/archive/2014/05/so-thats-just-one-of-my-losses/371396/
― 龜, Thursday, 22 May 2014 10:21 (nine years ago) link
― Survivalist Compound Row (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:14 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
def blowing up on my twitter fwiw
― lag∞n, Thursday, 22 May 2014 13:24 (nine years ago) link
Andrew Golis @agolis 12sThe chartbeat data on Ta-Nehisi's reparations piece is giving me hope for humanity. Wow.
― lag∞n, Thursday, 22 May 2014 13:45 (nine years ago) link
^atlantic managment
― lag∞n, Thursday, 22 May 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link