In the past 15 years, who has released a better pair of consecutive, full-length studio albums than Modest Mouse's The Lonesome Crowded West -> The Moon & Antarctica?

also i am kind of amazed this thread didn't get ripped apart and turn into some photo-bombing chaos in 5 posts? how did that not happen?

It seems like US twee indie had an undercurrent of creepy psychosexual edge that UK twee indie didn't but I'm prob just talking out of my ass.

OTM people are using "indie" as synonymous with lame/meek/wishy-washy/twee. I feel like maybe indie used to signify a wide variety of "outside the mainstream" acts, with varying levels of aggression in their sound (Pavement, Jesus Lizard, Belle and Sebastian all as indie). Now I think it signifies the spectrum between B&S and Death Cab For Cutie.

I may be way off here, though, it's possible people always referred to Jesus Lizard as post-hardcore and not as an indie rock band.

Azzerad does kind of allude to this underground in the Beat Happening chapter, iirc.

xxxxpost on the last one

also i am kind of amazed this thread didn't get ripped apart and turn into some photo-bombing chaos in 5 posts? how did that not happen?

― marcos, Friday, November 22, 2013 9:12 AM (11 minutes ago)

haha welcome to nu-ILX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RN09zYiQAc

I don't know really, just an idea, but is it possible that in recent years, as "indie" as a term has been increasingly muddled, coopted etc, the concept of (at least American) "post-punk" has been expanded to include at least the more noisy side of what would have been deemed "indie" 15 years ago? I.e. the stuff Azerrad covers, pigfuck, Amphetamine Reptile, even Pavement, Silkworm et. al?

I might be a bit too broad here, but still..

also i am kind of amazed this thread didn't get ripped apart and turn into some photo-bombing chaos in 5 posts? how did that not happen?

― marcos, Friday, November 22, 2013 9:12 AM (11 minutes ago)

haha welcome to nu-ILX

― sleeve, Friday, November 22, 2013 9:24 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pretty nu since this thread was started this february...

well, it also seems like a lot of that "post-punk" stuff doesn't exist anymore? Or maybe I'm just unaware of it?

Where is the "Waiting Room" where is the "Kerosene," where is the "Mouth Breather" of today?

Well, not sure if I agree. I mean in the last few years you've had bands such as Pissed Jeans, Metz, Cloud Nothings, Parquet Courts, just to name a few. IMO, all these bands would have been "indie" in a late 80s/early 90s context.

You'll never hear "People Person" in an Apple commercial, that's for fucking sure.

Pissed Jeans are def carrying the Jesus Lizard torch

see "Rolling non-indie underground" threads

Ha, well, most of those bands just sound like re-treads of 90s stuff to me (even if I like some of them), so I guess the problem is that I am lol old.

But a few years back you wouldn't have to call this "non-indie", right? "Indie" was what it was. Today this music is no longer considered "indie", which is pretty much what intheblanks says a few posts up, and I wonder if even the noiser indie-rock of the 80s and 90s have been retroctively labeled post-punk, or something else. Not saying this is a big problem, though, the indie-term has always been relatively impenetrable. However, that "indie" seems to be reserved exclusively for all this twee shit (not all shit, I guess) is somewhat annoying.

I assume this has been debated to death in a hundred threads, though.

Yeah, though the term "indie" was kind of ridiculously voluminous in the 90s, so maybe it's a good thing that it's gotten narrowed down some.

Yeah, I guess. Though the term still sort of signifies some "alternative" or "underground" element, which seems increasingly ridiculous considering the type of band presently being its figureheads..

overall i dunno it's weird i feel like between brits and their weird-ass definition of "indie" and all this nu-indie ipod commercial casio & glockenspiel kiddie shit the idea of what indie rock really was has gotten really twisted on ilm and elsehwere, not actually like i dunno a bunch of drunk shambly dudes rocking out to polvo and grifters and shit

― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

yeah when i got into indie, i was listening to the grifters/those bastard souls, loads of grim lo-fi K records stuff, GVSB, palace bros, etc. make up, nation of ulysses, feelies, early rem, w/e. my wife was more of an indie head than me, she was into a lot of the sarah records stuff and UK twee.

a lot of indie scene now has become this sort of neither here nor there day-glo coachella party music like metric or latter day flaming lips or arcade fire, if it's not that glockenspiel pomplamoose ipod crap. i think the original "awkwardness" and amateurishness of the indie scene has become an affected put-on (and maybe it was partially in the first place but i don't think it was done so in this particular way.) which is kind of a bummer.

thread would be harder to argue with if it remembered/counted building nothing out of something

― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:16 PM

I remember it and love it. Doesn't count though. It's a comp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjecIllOEio

the guitar outro

Oneida about four times over

yeah the thread title was obviously just someone itching for a fight. nevertheless, the lonesome crowded west is incredible

Limp Biscuit

here's the treeship with teeth like god's shoeshine

i felt this way back in high school

I probably would have voted Blacklisted -> Fox Confessor, for the time period at issue.

(there was plenty of other stuff I loved, but it’s more idiosyncratic, and I wouldn’t go to the mat for it “objectively” like I would those two Neko albums.)

...Or is that pair disqualified, because she released a (similarly excellent) live album in between? I’m not totally clear on the rules here.

diamond eyes -> koi no yokan

i'll go with this suggestion from bradnelson

i am just now getting into deftones and right now they are the best rock n roll band in history after the stones

hell yeah

otm

Good Kid M.A.A.D City -> To Pimp a Butterfly
To Pimp a Butterfly -> DAMN
MBDTF -> Yeezus
Exai -> Elseq 1-5

Not too much else comes close for me for the last 15 years

The time period in question here was 1998-2013 (if we were doing the past 15 years from today, I’d have a different answer!)

now that i think about it, lonesome crowded west was more than 15 years old when this thread was made. mods???

tbf, the post title doesn’t require it being less than 15

ah fair enough. in that case,

Didn't It Rain -> Magnolia Electric Co
Strange Geometry -> God Save the Clientele
Last Exit -> So This is Goodbye

oh hah i already posted that last one back in the day

Every Broadcast long-player was released in the 15 years up to Feb '13. So, yes, several times times IMHO. #PVMIC