Television

duuuuude, no! where is the show, is it in a tiny place or something?

yeah. The new Rough Trade store in Brooklyn has a performance space. Just 300 ppl, supposedly. Became aware of that last night so we were going at it as soon as the sale went up but just got the spinning wheel of "Searching for tickets" until it was too late.

that's a bummer -- 3-2-1 til scalpers start selling 'em?

only one on craigslist so far but I would suppose so yeah

hey jon - i may have a spare for the friday. would you be interested?

hell yes (though I do hate to leave my partner in crime behind, but... hell yes). I am at joncroaker (at) g m a i l (dot) com

'92 Television show was prob the first one where i saw a lotta '70s ppl w/ gray hair

haha i am a 70s person with no hair. sent you a message, jon.

Just in case a spam filter snags me: I wrote you back in the resounding affirmative. :D

finally getting around to richard hell's book, pretty interesting stuff, though it is funny that (at least in Hell's hindsight) he and verlaine were pretty much done with each other after Television's first gig. also strange that hell has nothing good to say about richard lloyd. especially since i just listened to marquee moon yesterday and holy cow, lloyd's guitar sound remains celestial.

y'know, if i had a sore point with their show at rough trade, it was jimmy rip's slavish imitation of lloyd's sound on marquee moon. he played a tele through all kinds of pedals. really nailed the sound to a t. then when it came time to improvise, instead of lloyd's pythagorean modal whatsis, out came some bendy technique-heavy studio guitarist stuff. who's he gonna impress with that? not a house full of television fans.

yeah, some of Ripp's solos on the sydney show don't quite mesh, even though he's sticking to the basic structure of most of Lloyd's stuff. of course, I thought that occasionally when Lloyd was in the band during the 00s. He sometimes slipped into those chopsy show offy moments too. i actually liked Ripp's mid-song lead on 1880 or So.

I think Hell's gripes about Lloyd are more to do with his personality rather than his guitar playing

oh yeah definitely, but he doesn't even give Lloyd the obligatory "but boy he sure could play that guitar". I guess when Hell was in the band Lloyd might not've really figured out his sound yet.

mm, self evident?

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kind of funny that they got the album title and the single title wrong, but i would've liked to see this bill.

Any Only Ones shows up?

only only ones bootleggy kinda thing i have is from (i think) 1979. And the quality is kind of bad iirc.

Never did get into that late 70s American-issued comp, Special View, but hoped some shows might show me the way to their critically-acclaimed specialness--think it was mainly Peter P.'s voice what put me off.

i love 'em but his voice may indeed be an acquired taste. but then again, so is verlaine's! Their BBC sessions are awesome.

I always liked Verlaine's voice! It suits his good-to-great stuff perfectly; can't save the weaker stuff, but there's not too much weaker stuff and that's the law of the jungle anyway. I'll check TOO's BBC Sessions, thanks.

Television to take off! To The Great White North

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weird lineup

The first album popped up on random shuffle yesterday. Man, the drums on that thing are every bit the equal of the guitars.

When I saw the two tiny venue Brooklyn shows in November, I was really able to get a good look at what ficca was doing. So amazing. The way he takes advantage of the sides of the drums is so cool. He'll drag the stick along those metal ribs (excuse my ignorance, these are for tuning, right?) to get a rapid series of rim shots, for example.

xp Late response but one's best intro to The Only Ones is the Peel Sessions comp.

There's all these interesting fests popping up in the Midwest too. Television is at Big Ears Festival in Knoxville. Check out the lineup: http://www.bigearsfestival.com/

Then there's this, but without Televivion (Earth is playing both):

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I often wondered how he did those 'rimshot rolls'

Hmmm what are the pros and cons of going to see Television in 2014 if I rate Marquee Moon about 8 out of 10 for personal enjoyment and haven't heard much else of theirs?

8 pro, 2 con?

jesus, fucking go!!!

OK, you helped make that an easy decision. Merci.

Seeing the band next week. Been a while.

Wished they'd come back my way. Saw 'em during that '90s reunion phase

Really good last night, though I could do without "Persia."

It's obviously obvious, but it finally struck me last night:

Tom Verlaine.
T. V.
TV
Television.

puns that you had missed

I just got that. Fuck.

TV
T.V.
Tom Miller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7FZwyOdvU

Persia is the greatest thing ever on some nights; on other nights it's just okay. I hope they are able to bottle it when a studio recording eventually comes out.

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Japanese fashion line features iconic images of Tom Verlaine and Television

Thought that was a Halloween costume. I would totally give all the candy to a kid who trick-or-treated as Marquee Moon.

Ha otm

I just noticed that Television will be performing in Philly between Christmas and New Year's. Wondering if I, a fan of Marquee Moon and lover of that original CBGB period who never saw them before, should see them or if they're a shell of their former self. Any opinions?

NYC Native: The band is not the same without Richard Lloyd. I am assuming he won't be there. I saw them in Central Park a few years back and it was lackluster at best. If Lloyd is somehow on board I'd say by all means attend.

Disagree. Lloyd is inimitable and irreplaceable but they remain very much worth seeing. Ripp has his own thing to bring. The rough trade shows were excellent. I don't blame kwhitehead for forming that opinion based on that Central Park show though -- it was right after Lloyd left and it sucked.

yeah, i mean you shouldn't expect the heights of 1978 or anything, but if you like hearing verlaine play guitar, how could it be bad? not to mention that rhythm section.
the recent instrumental set in NYC last weekend sounded interesting.

this is cool -- numero is putting out an Ork Records box set -- television, hell, chilton, feelies, many more!
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it is a GOOD IDEA.
feelies stuff is particularly exciting because those recordings have never been released (or bootlegged afaik)

Richard's jug-like runs on "Fire Engine" <3