Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys: Classic or Dud?

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i've always had mixed feelings, I loved it all but kinda grew out of some of the wackier stuff. Now I look at something like Trains and the stuff that's a bit "silly" I have to skip over, but the other stuff is some of the most beautiful music ever.

He played at Oberlin when I was there to a small crowd and encored with Autumn is Your Last Chance.

I also have a severe soft-spot for Queen Elvis.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

A Can of Bees and the comp "76-81" is all you need in my opinion. Underwater Moonlight just doesn't do it for me really and Robyn's solo stuff has never been my cup of tea.

Randall Weeber (yoyoweb), Saturday, 16 September 2006 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I've heard that Robyn Hitchcock and the Venus 3 on Yep Yoc -- it's the guys from the Minus 5 backing him up. Peter Buck and Scott McCaughey and the other guy (forget his name). It's pretty good, very power pop.

mcd (mcd), Saturday, 16 September 2006 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link

A Can of Bees is a much more uneven affair than Underater Moonlight. 'Anglepoise Lamp' is one of Hitchcocks's best song though, strange, that nobody mentioned that in the thread.

zeus (zeus), Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The second side of Invisible Hits is incredible. Starts and ends with silly, ultra-catchy pop songs ("Rock'n'roll Toilet" and "He's A Reptile"), and in between are three of the most vicious love songs Hitchcock ever wrote.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Saturday, 16 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Enormous love for Fegmania!, Globe of Frogs, Queen Elvis, Moss Elixir, Perspex Island. Everybody seems to love Eye but I could never dig it. I have some fabulous radio-session versions of Luxor material but have been strangely reticent to buy it.

Soft Boys: Of course Underwater, and I really liked Nextdoorland, but their earliest stuff is too raw for me.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 16 September 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the early stuff, esp the Wading Through a Ventilator ep and the best song ever = The Face of Death.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I do wish he had hung on more to the musically quirky (as opposed to lyrically quirky) side that produced Leppo and Do Policemen Sing (probably my favorite track of his) etc., but that seems to have mostly vanished early in his solo days.

I'm not the first one to mention it...I think Trouser Press says this too, but Respect is kind of a great lost RH album and a great comeback after the overproduced Perspex Island. (Recently downloaded the Perspex demos, and am finally enjoying these songs stripped of some of the gloss.)

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Besides the usual complaints about the snare sound, how is Perspex Island overproduced?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I hardly know how to answer...it seems so obvious that I'm going to assume that anyone who disagrees is never going to change their mind. I wish I had some way to upload, for example, the acoustic demo of Oceanside to compare with the album version. Soulseek to the rescue?

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Soulseek to the rescue?

I was just going to ask you where you found the Perspex demos. I saw him in LA a couple times when he was still working on the Perspex material and I've always like the original versions better than what turned up on the album.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm. I just can't imagine "If You Go Away," "So You Think You're in Love," "Lysander," and the title track sounding better.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Besides the usual complaints about the snare sound, how is Perspex Island overproduced?

Two words: Paul Fox.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 17 September 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually tried listening to the Underwater Moonlight album some months back for the first time in like 16 years, simply because I was considering selling it cause I never play it. And to my surprise I quite enjoyed it. Maybe it made more sense now since I've become such a post-punk fiend, but then it also had that psychedelic touch...I just seemed to understand it better than I did then. In the past my favourite Soft Boys album was always "Invisible Hits" and I still think that's better, but...

Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's so easy when you change the subject to Soft Boys rather than Robyn Hitchcock, because then you only have to compare a few albums. See how I pulled that off?

Well I got word he's to have a new album out with a new band. It's called Ole Tarantula I think, something like that.

Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Sunday, 17 September 2006 08:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"Sandra's Having Her Brain Out" is my favorite song bar-none.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 18 September 2006 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Anyone listen to Ole yet? So far it sounds pretty great. Tons of harmonies from Morris and Kimberly Rew plays on a handful of tracks. Much stronger than his last few band albums, including the Nexdoorland.

dan. (dan.), Monday, 9 October 2006 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm really enjoying Olé! Tarantula. It is a throwback in many ways - it sounds if this was recorded after Respect. The Venus 3 compliment him much as the Egyptians did, and having the second guitar helps many of the songs. It is a nice mix of old and new material - the title track and "Museum of Sex" I know I've heard him play a few times in the last five years.

I blathered on and on (without saying much at all) about it here. Normally I don't self-promote, but I didn't feel like rehashing it all in condensed form.

EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I really like Black Snake Diamond Role, his first solo album, but I rarely see that one mentioned. I also dig Globe of Frogs probably because that was the first Hitchcock I ever got...

N Mallin (DocMartensBoots), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Globe of Frogs is very digworthy. Did I say Classic yet?

Sweat Loaf (Sweat Loaf), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok this is great. Ramble, Ole and Briggs are some of his best songs, ever. Underground Sun is upbeat as he's ever been and the so-so songs are at least interesting and even then there are only a couple.

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

is there a new record?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, it's called Ole! Tarantula

zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

everything i've heard so far i've enjoyed enormously, more than i have any of his past four or so albums. even "spooked". love "museum of sex", it's terrifically entertaining.

Emily B (Emily B), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
This Google ilx search function is not all it's cracked up to be and I resent having my threads locked because of it.

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm just trying to talk about Underwater Moonlight here, and what a fantastic fucking CD it is. That's all. It's a crime, isn't it? I'll be banished to hell for this. Censored. Thrown out in the street. Just for liking the Soft Boys. I'm waiting. Let's go.

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link

The gallows at 7 AM! I'll be there! With my hippie lawyer!

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Also Invisible Hits used to be my favourite. I actually have that again. I can play it right now. You would hate that wouldn't you?

Cause you're just an old pervert and you hang around "under the bridge".

I won't do you no harm I just wanna show you what's in my fridge...

Kid B (Bimble...), Monday, 13 November 2006 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Somehow having this whole obsession with post-punk era music has served to increase my love of the Soft Boys, whom I never rated that high before, at least not as high as Hitchcock solo.

Umpire Teen (Bimble...), Saturday, 18 November 2006 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ROCK N'ROLL TOILET!!!

Umpire Teen (Bimble...), Saturday, 18 November 2006 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah if there's one song besides "Give It To The Soft Boys" that everyone needs to hear, it's "Rock & Roll Toilet".

Umpire Teen (Bimble...), Saturday, 18 November 2006 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I heartily approve of the new album. Wonderful harmonies. I also recently heard the Soft Boys' Side Three EP, which is all outtakes from Nextdoorland. It's not their best work, but "Narcissus" really should have been on the album.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 4 January 2007 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I was listening to A Can Of Bees just yesterday! Great band.

All I know by Robyn Hitchcock solo is his cover of Kung Fu Fighting! Which does rule.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuggin' classic all the way.

Love the Soft Boys, love solo Hitchcock, though both are frustratingly hit or miss. Understand the objections to Hitch's stereotypically Engwish brand of teapot psychedelia, but his best tunes are organic, moving and catchy as hell - and he's got a TON of best tunes. He's similar to Robert Pollard in that the superficial non-sequiters conceal/reveal a core of real longing and alienation that'll draw blood if you let it. He can be cute 'n' funny without being cloying, too, which is a rare trick.

Recent stuff is patchy, but Invisible Hitchcock, Queen Elvis, I Often Dream of Trains, Eye and Mossy Liquor are (relatively) solid. Lots of great stuff buried elsewhere, too.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Yep Roc is starting to reissue Robyn's back catalogue. The first box will include _Black Snake_, _I Often Dream Of Trains_, _Eye_ and a 2 disc set of odds and sods. _Groovy Decay_ will be available as a digital download (Robyn always hated it, I guess that's why no physical reissue).

Next year brings another box containing _Fegmania_, _Gotta Let This Hen Out_, _Element Of Light_ and another odds and sods disc.

I, for one, am totally looking forward to the barrel scrapings. Seriously. I mean, _Invisible Hitchcock_ and _You & Oblivions_ are b-sides and outtakes and are packed with gems.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 9 August 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

They're saying the 2-disc oddities part will have a lot of unheard stuff. Also:

"All of the individual albums feature bonus tracks and enhanced liner notes, including Hitchcock's personal reminiscences on Black Snake and While Thatcher, an extract from a novel in progress on Trains and several pieces of original poetry on Eye, along with previously unpublished photos and Hitchcock cartoons."

Hopefully the bonus tracks for Black Snake et al will be different from the ones on the last editions.

Jon Lewis, Thursday, 9 August 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Hopefully the bonus tracks for Black Snake et al will be different from the ones on the last editions.

As long as they include the one from last time. Let's not get into an Elvis Costello situation here where you need mutiple versions of the same album if you want all the bonus tracks!

As it is you need both versions of _Black Snake_ because the sax-version of "The Man Who Invented Himself" was replaced with the sax-less one and the original didn't show up on any of the Rhino reissues.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 9 August 2007 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's not get into an Elvis Costello situation here where you need mutiple versions of the same album if you want all the bonus tracks!

That's for damn sure. As it stands I'm going to hold on to mine for the time being. Even Gravy Deco.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 August 2007 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, the sax version of "Man..." needs to be on this new version, either as track 1 or a bonus, that much is clear.

I see what you guys are saying. But I didn't care for the extras on the Rhino I Often Dream Of Trains (by which I mean the home demos). They added nothing.

Jon Lewis, Thursday, 9 August 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Plus...check this out!:

Wanna Go Backwards will also be released as an eight-record vinyl box set version complete with original LP artwork.

Now I have to start saving for this as well. Maybe this, unlike the Neil Young box set I am anticipating, will actually see the light of day.

kwhitehead, Thursday, 9 August 2007 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

You can pre-order the box from Yep Roc's site and stream it for free as well. Here's the analysis I did - bottom line, you still need your Rhino editions.

Black Snake Diamond Role
The Man Who Invented Himself [Sax-less version, the Sax version is still in limbo.]
Brenda's Iron Sledge
Do Policemen Sing?
The Lizard
Meat
Acid Bird
I Watch The Cars
Out Of The Picture
City Of Shame
Love

Bonus Tracks:
All I Wanna Do Is Fall In Love [from Invisible Hitchcock]
A Skull, A Suitcase & A Long Red Bottle Of Wine [from Invisible Hitchcock]
It Was The Night [from Rhino edition]
I Watch The Cars No. 2 [from Rhino edition]
Give Me A Spanner Ralph [from Invisible Hitchcock]
It's A Mystic Trip [from Invisible Hitchcock]
Grooving On A Inner Plane [from Rhino edition]
Happy The Golden Prince [from Rhino edition]

Missing:
Dancing On God's Thumb [from Rhino edition]

Note: Nothing previously unreleased.

I Often Dream Of Trains
Nocturne (prelude)
Sometimes I Wish I Was A Pretty Girl
Cathedral
Uncorrected Personality Traits
Sounds Great When You're Dead
Flavour Of Light
Ye Sleeping Knights Of Jesus
This Could Be The Day
Trams Of Old London
Furry Green Atom Bowl
Heart Full Of Leaves
Autumn Is Your Last Chance
I Often Dream Of Trains
Nocturne (Demise)
Winter Love
The Bones In The Ground
My Favourite Buildings
I Used To Say I Love You

Bonus Tracks:
Chant/Aether
Heart Full Of Leaves (alternate)
I Often Dream Of Trains (demo)
Not Even A Nurse
Slow Chant/That's Fantastic Mother Church
Traveller's Fare

Missing:
Mellow Together [from Rhino edition]
Sometimes I Wish I Was A Pretty Girl (demo) [from Rhino edition]
Cathedral (demo) [from Rhino edition]
Mellow Together (demo) [from Rhino edition]
The Bones In The Ground (demo) [from Rhino edition]

Note: Original LP running order restored with previous CD bonus tracks moved to the end.

Eye
Cynthia Mask
Certainly Cliquot
Queen Elvis
Flesh Cartoons
Chinese Water Python
Executioner
Linctus House
Sweet Ghost Of Light
Transparent Lover
Beautiful Girl
Clean Steve
Raining Twilight Coast
Agony Of Pleasure
Glass Hotel
Satellite
Aquarium
Queen Elvis II

Bonus Tracks:
Century
Shimmering Distant Love
Lovers Turn To Skulls
The Beauty Of Earl's Court

Missing:
Agony Of Pleasure (demo) [from Rhino edition]
Note: College Of Ice isn't listed here but is on the Thatcher set. Running order from original LP is slightly altered.

While Thatcher Mauled Britain
She Reached For A Light [from You & Oblivion]
August Hair [from You & Oblivion]
Take Your Knife Out Of My Back [from You & Oblivion]
Fiend Before The Shrine [from You & Oblivion]
Raymond Chandler Evening (demo) [from Rhino _Element Of Light_]
Birdshead [from You & Oblivion]
Victorian Squid [from You & Oblivion]
You've Got [from You & Oblivion]
Captain Dry [from You & Oblivion]
Raining Twilight Coast (Demo) [from Rhino _Eye_]
Point It At Gran [from Invisible Hitchcock]
Vegetable Friend [from Invisible Hitchcock]
Flesh Number 1 (demo)
Surgery [from You & Oblivion]
I Got A Message For You [from Invisible Hitchcock]
If I Could Look [from You & Oblivion]
Parachutes & Jellyfish
Queen Elvis (Demo) [from Rhino _Eye_]
Nothing [from You & Oblivion]
Stranded In The Future [from You & Oblivion]
Melting Arthur
The Abandoned Brain [from Invisible Hitchcock]
You're So Repulsive
Opiatrescence
September Cones [from You & Oblivion]
Lovely Golden Villains
Dr Sticky (live)
Toadboy
Trash [from Invisible Hitchcock]
Pit Of Souls (Country version) [from Invisible Hitchcock]
Mr Deadly [from Invisible Hitchcock]
Let There Be More Darkness [from Invisible Hitchcock]
Listening To The Higsons [from Invisible Hitchcock]
College Of Ice [from Rhino _Eye_]
My Favourite Buildings (Demo) [from Rhino _IODOT_]
Lightplug
Sleeping Knights Of Jesus (Demo) [from Rhino _IODOT_]
Insect Mother (demo) [from Rhino _Fegmania_]
I Wanna Go Backwards

Missing from _Invisible Hitchcock_:
My Favourite Buildings [Or is it the same as either version in box?]
Falling Leaves
Eaten By Her Own Dinner
Star Of Hairs
Messages Of Dark
Blues In A
Dr. Sticky

Missing From _You & Oblivion_:
Don't You
Mr. Rock 'N' Roll
The Dust
Polly On The Shore
Into It
Keeping Still
The Ghost Ship
You & Me
Aether

Mr. Odd, Friday, 31 August 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks for breaking all that down! on first glance, it doesn't appear quite as exciting as it seemed when they announced it, in terms of unreleased stuff ... but Robyn's gone through his demos/outtakes quite a bit over the years, so it's not too surprising there isn't all that much "new" stuff here. The "I Wanna Go Backwards" tune sounds good. But the A&M records (Globe of Frogs, Queen Elvis, Perspex Island and Respect) are the ones that really need the deluxe reissue treatment. Anyone know if that's in the works?

tylerw, Friday, 31 August 2007 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmph. There's not a lot on there I need. I think I'll be cherrypicking the dozen or so unreleased songs off emusic.

This is mostly just moving a bunch of previously available stuff into new configurations. Also NO LOBSTERMAN WTF ROBYN I AM HAVING A HARD TIME RESPECTING YOU

Jon Lewis, Friday, 31 August 2007 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm torn; I've bought these in multiple configurations before, but I'm not seeing much incentive this time. I want the unreleased stuff (being a total Hitchcock geek), but listening to them at the Yep Roc site makes me think there is a reason these were left off of the Rhino reissues.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 31 August 2007 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link

One correction to your incredibly helpful list Mr. Odd - big thanks, by the way, it is most helpful - it looks like "Aether" moved from You & Oblivion to I Often Dream of Trains.

I wish they were publishing the tracklist to the second boxset; I'm assuming/hoping many of the tracks that appear to be dropping from Rhino reissues are just being reassigned. Relegating "Polly On The Shore" to the dustbin of history would be shameful.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 31 August 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

One correction to your incredibly helpful list Mr. Odd - big thanks, by the way, it is most helpful - it looks like "Aether" moved from You & Oblivion to I Often Dream of Trains.

I thought that initially as well, but listening to it on the stream showed it's something different, or a demo of what wound up on _Y&O_. Also, I have found that the version of "The Abandoned Brain" (one of my faves) is a demo with an even more moving vocal take.

Mr. Odd, Friday, 31 August 2007 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link

For starters, it would be nice if the CD versions of his 80s albums would be available in Europe again. I didn't discover him properly until they were deleted, and now I'm stuck with burned copies based on downloaded stuff.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 31 August 2007 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Geir -

do you mean the A&M years? Because this Yep Roc project will redo all the other 80s recordings, and they have international distrobution deals.

The A&M stuff really needs a proper archive. There's plenty of extra stuff too - I'd love to hear the full set of solo covers that made the rounds on an A&M promo tape.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 31 August 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Can someone please clarify - the bonus tracks for Eye don't look familiar to me, are they previously unreleased? Also, aren't the last three bonus tracks for "I Often Dream..." also previously unreleased?

Bimble, Saturday, 1 September 2007 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Those ones you mention are all previously unreleased. Mr. Odd has done a good job attributing all previously released material.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 1 September 2007 00:40 (sixteen years ago) link

that is so beautiful

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 13 August 2023 22:53 (eight months ago) link

Ach, I'm crying. So sad. Thanks for posting.

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Sunday, 13 August 2023 23:32 (eight months ago) link

What a remarkable tribute

Nonhuman biologics enthusiast (morrisp), Monday, 14 August 2023 01:41 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Good lord, what an awful year for the family.

My lovely wife has been through hell this summer. Please read this thread. https://t.co/DtGMqmWsux

— Robyn Hitchcock (@RobynHitchcock) September 28, 2023

JoeStork, Friday, 29 September 2023 23:12 (six months ago) link


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